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This entire situation is absolutely vile. I don't care who was responsible for shooting the plane down - there are nearly 300 dead bodies of innocent murder victims that are being treat with absolute contempt at the hands of Russian separatists. They need to be returned home immediately so they can receive a proper burial or cremation. They deserve nothing more. We can talk about justice later
This is a good question and does indeed put things into a different perspective.
However, it's become obvious that the rebels aren't the answer either. They're too busy playing out their warlord fantasies to really care about the people of Donbas. The foreign mercenaries are not ready to sit down and negotiate for a better outcome for the region, which involves them giving up their weapons and power, and returning home or off to some other conflict. If the Ukrainian army backed off, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the different rebel groups just ended up fighting each other without the common enemy to rally around.
Yes, but we asked only about federalization, it would solve most problems: language, culture, our government will be more stable than in Kiev and they can have maydans even every year or wherever they want, it will not affect us. They didn't give us even this possibility and came to kill us.
Whatever sceptics here say, all people in Donetsk and Lugansk know who shots them and I am talking not about rebels. Rebels fight for our future, National Guard of Ukraine fights because instead they will have to go home and work there, another part of Ukrainian army, recruits, fighting because instead they will go to jail.
While people were making these Maydans, they didn't work, we were working whatever they were doing there, few meetings against Maydan during weekends or even breaks at work, that's all. The same is waiting for EU if Ukraine will join it.
And one important thing: not all people in Ukraine are like this, there are many hardworking and kind people, but future of Ukraine is not in their hands, but in hands of those people which have nothing to do and for money will do whatever their owner want.
Someone gets run over - no reason to call 911 - not my problem.
There's a big difference between calling 911 (or in this case, offering logistical help as needed - IF THE EU ASKS FOR IT - as I stated earlier) and posturing about, making threatening statements, strong arming, etc. As far as I know, the EU has not asked for our help in this matter, and they are fully capable of handling it on their own for that matter.
For a minute I thought they were condemning their own actions. Oh Russia...
It must be hard to be a PR person for Russia nowadays - you wake up, make statements to the world press and try not to burst out in laughter and try hard to hide your grin. And this has been going on for months now. Maximum troll level reached I'd say.
For a minute I thought they were condemning their own actions. Oh Russia...
Wow! Nasty allegations.
Russia’s Foreign Ministry on Monday demanded that Sweden, Finland, the Baltic states and France conduct a thorough investigation into alleged participation by mercenaries from these countries in hostilities in eastern Ukraine.
- All evidence is circumstantial so far; for being so absolute in their belief, the West cannot seem to provide any actual hard evidence. I have seen longer investigations into shoplifting than this event before declaring who is a suspect.
The timing is highly suspicious, about everything.
- Ukraine is on a stagnant, and costly war that seems will keep going on.
- Those grand voice records "confirming" rebels talking about shooting down the aircraft are highly suspicious, the right words at the right time to assist with swaying everyone.
- No mention of Ukraine positioning AA in the area due to the Russian threat of its aircraft crossing into Ukrainian airspace.
- An AN-26 was supposedly hit at 24k feet, this requires an advanced AA system, yet Ukraine gives no caution or warning, let alone close the air space, to commercial traffic. Yet Crimea air space is closed thought there is no conflict there.
- The only evidence of any Buk system is linked to "some journalist" who claims they saw it and took pics of it. Now this mysterious rebel controlled Buk cannot be found as it is "reported" going back to Russia. Amazing how this thing just pops up and appears, then disappears, with zero confirmation regarding its existence, let alone if it fired anything.
- The website of the rebels supposedly posted about the shooting down immediately, as if they are just sitting their on their VK page posting like a 13 year old girl the minute something happens, however, someone hacking into the account to create the this news would be waiting to report immediately.
- Ukraine shot down a passenger plane before, and denied it until they finally were forced to admit their mistake.
- No mention of the operators of the Buk system, regardless of which side it was one. Could just as easily be Russians, rebels, or Kiev agents operating the system. The rebel faction is so loose, no one can discount the possibility of Kiev aligned spies operating with the rebels.
Who has the most to gain from this? Ukraine of course, and other parties like the US (with McCain pushing along) who are doing anything to get involved in the conflict.
- All evidence is circumstantial so far; for being so absolute in their belief, the West cannot seem to provide any actual hard evidence. I have seen longer investigations into shoplifting than this event before declaring who is a suspect.
The timing is highly suspicious, about everything.
- Ukraine is on a stagnant, and costly war that seems will keep going on.
- Those grand voice records "confirming" rebels talking about shooting down the aircraft are highly suspicious, the right words at the right time to assist with swaying everyone.
- No mention of Ukraine positioning AA in the area due to the Russian threat of its aircraft crossing into Ukrainian airspace.
- An AN-26 was supposedly hit at 24k feet, this requires an advanced AA system, yet Ukraine gives no caution or warning, let alone close the air space, to commercial traffic. Yet Crimea air space is closed thought there is no conflict there.
- The only evidence of any Buk system is linked to "some journalist" who claims they saw it and took pics of it. Now this mysterious rebel controlled Buk cannot be found as it is "reported" going back to Russia. Amazing how this thing just pops up and appears, then disappears, with zero confirmation regarding its existence, let alone if it fired anything.
- The website of the rebels supposedly posted about the shooting down immediately, as if they are just sitting their on their VK page posting like a 13 year old girl the minute something happens, however, someone hacking into the account to create the this news would be waiting to report immediately.
- Ukraine shot down a passenger plane before, and denied it until they finally were forced to admit their mistake.
- No mention of the operators of the Buk system, regardless of which side it was one. Could just as easily be Russians, rebels, or Kiev agents operating the system. The rebel faction is so loose, no one can discount the possibility of Kiev aligned spies operating with the rebels.
Who has the most to gain from this? Ukraine of course, and other parties like the US (with McCain pushing along) who are doing anything to get involved in the conflict.
Yes the world is crafting a conspiracy against Russia.
Twist all the evidence to fit your image of Russia comrade, Putler would pat you on the shoulder for that.
If Ukraine shot down the Boeing 777, why did the separatists take control of the crash site and denied access to outside investigators?
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