The future of Ukraine (crime, 2015, place, moving)

[Scrat335]

I hear the fight against corruption in Ukraine has had little success. If all is true the IMF has not passed on the next installment of the funds due to lack of progress and something like 180 million has disappeared so far. The minister of justice is reportedly refusing to bring charges against certain individuals for whatever reason, some say it is so he can cover the schemes of his friends.

Many people are saying they need to bring in people from outside to establish a system of order and accountability as apparently the politicians still know they can steal with impunity.

Any truth to this?

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Originally Posted by travric

Re: 'This whole situation is much more than just "Vlad" and it's very unwise to miss it.'

It is certainly. But I will suggest most energetically Vlad overtly changed the rules in this part of the post-war era.

It couldn't be any other way, since the "post-war era" ( that is if we are talking about the Cold war) was very unsettled and it was only a matter of time, when Russia would have started reclaiming what she deems unnecessary for its future survival as a global power.

Two can play at that game. Each must to counteract the acts of the other.

You mean Russia and the US? By all means, that's why I've said from the very beginning that partition of Ukraine was only logical under the circumstances.

Vlad of course feels very uncomfortable of that very 'rebellious' and incorrigible state next to him.And he feels much much worse when he realizes they opt for the 'other' namely dark side.

Yes and no. His financial calculations always come first. He was interested in Ukraine purely from economic point of view, which was his major mistake.

He with his swipes not only puts things in play for the present but also for the future. It is he who will always cause Europe trouble and more trouble. The samovar is always perking!

Ukraine is really not "Europe.")))

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Oy.
Congressman Rohrabacher is not taking any prisoners. ( The small excerpt from this video has been used in Moreira film, so I decided to look for more, and here it is)))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TpZa4OMFVk

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Originally Posted by Scrat335

I hear the fight against corruption in Ukraine has had little success. If all is true the IMF has not passed on the next installment of the funds due to lack of progress and something like 180 million has disappeared so far. The minister of justice is reportedly refusing to bring charges against certain individuals for whatever reason, some say it is so he can cover the schemes of his friends.

Many people are saying they need to bring in people from outside to establish a system of order and accountability as apparently the politicians still know they can steal with impunity.

Any truth to this?

Yes. They are talking about it on FB, the Ukrainians. That corruption is still running rampant.

[travric]

Re: 'Ukraine is not Europe'

Something perhaps apropos to the situation? From the 'English Bulldog':
"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest'

Poor Ukraine. In her current existence it looks like there's a confounding of interest. She looks to have none but only her adversary's. Just saying. She needs air. We can hear the gasping.

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Originally Posted by travric

Re: 'Ukraine is not Europe'

Something perhaps apropos to the situation? From the 'English Bulldog':
"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest'

Poor Ukraine. In her current existence it looks like there's a confounding of interest. She looks to have none but only her adversary's. Just saying. She needs air. We can hear the gasping.

Yes we can. They are their own adversaries, with this kind of "European democracy."




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ILfknJxQg

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Documentary: Ukraine - Masks of revolution. Eng. Subs.
VPE presents highly anticipated, contorversial (to some) documentary about so called Maidan revolution. Movie itself has been produced by high ranking agents of Kremlin inside of French Canal+ TV channel.

LiveLeak.com - Documentary: Ukraine - Masks of revolution. Eng. Subs.

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Some articles. I think there may be some "creative writing" in these considering the sources but what's the truth?

Ukrainian economy after a year of "reforms": Banana republic without bananas - Fort Russ

LiveLeak.com - A common Ukrainian asks: 'Why do we live so badly, and why don't we protest anymore?'

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reading Medvedev's recent statements, I noticed how he avoids to talk about
the official reasons for the sanctions and "the new cold war", namely the
Russian intervention in Ukraine. He wants to make the readers believe
the sanctions and new NATO military enforcements in Eastern Europe
appeared out of nowhere and the reason was just some new abstract
and nonjustified Russia-hate or Russia-fear.
[IMO he should have admitted some legal "guilt" but should have claimed instead
for Western overreaction]

I also remember Putin's recent statement, that the fear of Russian intervention
in border States is not justified and that Russia has no such plans.

However, we know how such things develope ... some shot pain, killed politician,
riot, law, unfortunate statement ... and things may escalate, without
anyone's "plan".
There will always be arguments,reasons,excuses, disagreement.

So, my solution : Russia [and NATO] gives some verifyable nonambiguous
guarantees for non-"intervention" in affairs of other countries and troups
can be reduced.

It worked pretty well during Cold War (CSCE/OSCE)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organi...tion_in_Europe

> Western tool for "forced democratization".[3]


so, the question is, does Russia want to use military force or (indirect) threat thereof
to influence the policy in neighboring (NATO) countries ?
Apparently Russia is afraid of "democratizing" in those ... however where is the
pro-Russian campaign in that democracy ... not competitive ?

[travric]

Re: 'so, the question is, does Russia want to use military force or (indirect) threat thereof
to influence the policy in neighboring (NATO) countries ?
Apparently Russia is afraid of "democratizing" in those ... however where is the
pro-Russian campaign in that democracy ... not competitive ?'

As for the use of Russian forces in Europe, we haven't seen NATO countries renouncing its protection towards foreign invaders. In fact there is concern. There is fear of invasion and I would suggest it is very realistic under the circumstances.

On the other hand, some countries in a way are playing both sides of the game in NATO but appear to be moving away from democracy to something akin to a Putin-type state and all its apparent attractions namely an authoritarian state governing down in its dispensation of largesse to the very few and to the masses who are greatly malleable to political influence. With that Russia doesn't seem to have to work as hard to 'turn them' so to speak since they're already internally doing a little of the job.