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Old 02-01-2016, 03:59 AM
 
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You will not believe it, but he made it! The first experimental container train Ukraine – China, sent on 15 January alternative "silk road" by-passing Russia, through two seas and four boundaries, 29 the number has reached China.

To get he got here only two days late, with a forced deviation from the route, and at a loss. The experiment showed that the train to overcome such a long way with obstacles. And this is all good news. In fact, the TRANS-Caspian route was akin to surgery for removal of tonsils blowtorch through the anus – spectacular, cheeky, but practical value is zero. Counted – to tears. From the point of view of costs and competitiveness of alternative "silk road" completely loses common overland transport through Russia.

The first unpleasant fact faced by non-traditional merchants, threatened to bury the experiment at the start of the squad was swamped by nearly half. Because of this, the ferry company sent a ferry from Ilyichevsk not directly to Georgia, as it was planned initially, and in the Bulgarian Varna, there to load the ship other goods. While he was loading, played out the storm, which forced the ferry held in Varna two days, and that was the reason of delay.

I remember back before the departure of container trains, the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of infrastructure Snitko made plans for that train must be loaded with Chinese and European products, because only some of Ukrainian goods is not sufficient for payback of the "silk road". But after the first experimental visit, the experts believe that all the expectations placed on container train, are a sign of low competence as providers from China, Korea and Europe can clearly see that the traditional routes through Russia or by sea will be cheaper for non-standard Ukrainian.

So, it is reported that the price of delivery to Russia of one 40-foot container from the station of Dostyk on the border of Kazakhstan and China, to the border station of Chop in Western Ukraine, will cost $3900. Then as moving the same container of goods via the TRANS-Caspian route, which moved experimental train, will cost only $7950.

Not sure convinced is the experiment of the organizers that the project alternative "silk road" expected turned out to be stillborn, at least, reasonable arguments is more than enough. If Ukraine (according to official sources) were previously sent to China, about 24 million tons of cargo per year through Russian territory, now walking half-empty trains to bypass and at the price twice above appears to be an attempt to skip the camel through the eye of a needle.

And here's another Peremoga, also associated with the loss of the Russian market and with the Railways.

Freight car building, until recently Ukraine brought considerable foreign exchange earnings and which drove the country into a world leader in the industry, fell – attention! – 50 times.

For 2015 year in Ukraine produced 1054 of the car, which is 6 times less production in 2014 and 50 times less than the production peak of 2011, when total production of Ukrainian enterprises amounted 52700 new cars.

According to Concorde Capital, in the 2000s, Ukraine was a world leader in the export of railway wagons, reaching the peak production in 2010 and 2011 and receiving $3 billion a year.

Today, freight cars produced three companies: Druzhkivka machine building plant (krcbw), Azovmash, Dneprovagonmash. Stakhanov wagon plant is located on the territory of the DNR and is included in the Russian program of import substitution.

Of the remaining three plants, in fact, works only krcbw, but its load is only 3%, and its share among Ukrainian producers of freight cars was 39% in 2015. Dneprovagonmash for the first 9 months of last year reduced revenue by 7 times, up to UAH 52 million, incurring a net loss of 76 million UAH. Azovmash practically abandoned railroad cars, trying to cash in on the production of equipment for metallurgy and obtain defense orders.

The main source of income of Ukrainian railcar producers were exports from the main market in Russia. So, in 2011, of almost 53000 cars produced for export went 44000, of which 39000 bought the Russian Federation.

However, by 2012, in Russia there were two own production of cars, causing the demand for Ukrainian fell, but even in 2013, Ukraine has produced more than 25,000 rail cars, of which almost ¾ Russia bought that much better performance in 2014, when production fell 5 times. In 2015 Russia bought in Ukraine small lot of specialized wagons krcbw. However, the expected breakthrough on the European market did not happen due to the variation in standards and low volumes of orders, except for penny deals with the Baltic States, and with cheap Chinese wagons Ukrainian unable to compete.

Prospects of domestic orders from Ukrzaliznytsya is also optimism do not inspire. Against the planned increase of tariffs for carriage by rail at 15% are the Ukrainian metallurgists and chemists, while she UZ sorely suffers from underfunding. There is a target program on the stage of the project – to place an order on line of the Cabinet on the production and acquisition of 20000 new cars from the budget or at the expense of issue. Price question – $1 billion, But this practice is contrary to the requirements of the IMF, since the emission of the national Bank threatened the already fragile exchange rate stability.
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Old 02-01-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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The APU during the day, more than 100 times fired on the territory of DPR — DPR defense Ministry


The Ukrainian military over the past day 108 times fired at the frontal area of the DPR. About DAN reported today in the Ministry of defence of the Republic.

"For the past day, Ukrainian security forces 108 times fired at the territory of the Republic as a result of the 31 violations of the ceasefire regime", — said the Agency interlocutor.

According to the defense Ministry, the fire was subjected to the village of Shanka and Kalinovka in the Novoazovsk district in the South of DNR, DNR-controlled part of the village zaytsevo in the North of Gorlovka. In addition, under fire of the Ukrainian security forces were the settlements of Aleksandrovka, Staromikhaylovk, Gabishevo, Spartacus and the airport area on the West and North of the capital of the DPR, respectively.

In the defense Ministry added that during the attacks the enemy used mortars caliber 82 mm and 120 mm and grenade launchers.
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Old 02-01-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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February 18 will be the second anniversary of the start of this thread. I won't be celebrating.
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Old 02-02-2016, 06:40 AM
 
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Wow ... Two years and misery still exists and probably will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. All in all Vlad should have stayed home and tended his own fires. Ukraine, migrants, terrorists, smugglers are all taking Europe down to a place she certainly doesn't want to be. The future of Ukraine: sadly dismal. Once again Europe may just have to dig deep and find out how it can handling suffering.
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Old 02-02-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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All in all Vlad should have stayed home and tended his own fires.
Why only Vlad and not, for example, Vlad and Nuland? Or Vlad and Obama?
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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RememberMee, I give the facts, figures, names and years. You give only emotions.
Kharkiv was founded by Ukrainian cosacks, and the region "Sloboda Ukraine" was populatated by Ukrainian people in 17th century when tartar nomads no longer were unquestioned masters of the steppes. Ukrainians did not run to Russian fortress, there was none at the time, just steppe, Muscovites thought it belonged to them, and tartar nomads thought it was theirs, Ukrainian Hetmanat and Kozaks had different ideas, it didnt occur to them to ask for Moscow permission to settle there. It was like wild West at the time.

Anyway, comrade Frolov, you are amusingly flexible, when it suits your grand imperial delusions. In this case you dismiss Ukrainian origins of the settlers. In Crimea, Donbass case you dismiss Ukrainian state claims of possession of the lands populated by the russified ukrainians and russians.

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You are wrong. It was not a colony. Kharkov is Russian frontier fortress. Kharkov region was populated by Ukrainians, who fled from Poland. This explains the large percentage of Ukrainian rural population.
That is where your russian links distort the truth a little, and the claim of old (Kievan) Rus settlement in the area is pure fiction. Ukrainians settled virgin steppes Tartar nomads no longer could control, primitive Muscovy fortress came after the area was settled. Ukrainian settlers recognized authority of Muscovite tsars in the face of ongoing war with Poland where Ukrainian and Muscovites were allies, and Ukrainian cossacks had more burning threats in the west. Little they knew. In the next 350 years Russian state (under different brands) dedicated itself to wiping out Ukrainian statehood and identity to turn Ukrainians into biomaterial for the Russian empire. Russian Empire treated Kharkiv region as a heathen populated area to be assimilated, and it used standard colonizer tools.

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Old 02-02-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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Why only Vlad and not, for example, Vlad and Nuland? Or Vlad and Obama?
Where are howitzers and strike helicopters from Obama? Vlad is a sorry loser, he decided to use tanks, propaganda, terror and lies to win a war of ideas sick Russia cant win. It is like putting lipstick on a pig.

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Old 02-02-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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Comrade Frolov, I just want to remind you that the bulk of what we call "Russian Federation" today was "appropriated" by the Russian Empire through coercion, theft or conquest relatively recently in historical terms (16-19 century), so your historical adventures may and will sooner or later backfire. Russians are so fond of strong governments, maniacs and other totalitarians largely because they believe that nothing but totalitarian authority can hold their country together. And space, the area Russia occupies is #1 point of the Russian pride, #1 "existential" reason for Russian state/ethnicity existence. Russians are willing to pay the price, but at some point the price Russians are willing/able to pay will not be enough.
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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Re: 'Why only Vlad and not, for example, Vlad and Nuland? Or Vlad and Obama?'

Well... He was the one who did go into a country uninvited and without a passport. Egregious in my estimation. Perhaps from the Russian point of view the Putinian calculation ostensibly paid off ( or did it?). But in any case I see nothing but a frozen pond of misery misery and more misery there in that area of the world. It's become almost a backwater where it is simply now antagonists taking turns continually pushing the knife into the other's innards. Looks like cooperative suicide. But on second thought I would suggest one fights to stay alive the other fights because they simply want to.
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Well... He was the one who did go into a country uninvited and without a passport. Egregious in my estimation.
Look. Yanukovych invited the Ministers of Germany and France and made an agreement with them about his resignation. Who invited Nuland? Who gave her the right to maintain anti-constitutional coup? Who allowed her to say "F**k EU?" Ukraine? No, because ALL Ukraine elected president (Yanukovich) in democratic elections. Why is a legitimate president was forced to flee, while Germany and France supported the revolutionaries (despite the agreement)? Why Donbass and Crimea must agree to these events?
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