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Old 01-29-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Pepper spray is illegal here too, but I know where to get it. When my kids are old enough to be out and about alone at night, you can bet your a$$ that they'll have it with them.
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Europe
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"Anyway, it has been seen now how nobody was interested of natives making rapes and then happened 242 rapes by other nationalities especially 25 by asylum seekers and everyone said: Stop raping"


Well you know what ? if there are already a lot of rapes in Finland, do you actually believe they need yet more rapes by foreigners? if the situation is that bad in that country, why make it worse by importing foreign rapists (even if they -for now-only statistically represent a small %). I must say I don't understand your logic. If the subject is rape, the solution in my book is in educating men, not importing foreigners. Immigration has maybe its positive side (I don't see much which , but let's admit it for the argument's sake) but it certainly doesn't have a positive effect on the local rape culture. At best a neutral effect...
I find it very rude and hurtfull when some of the women have sent petitions, made suggestions, cried help and trying to make them listen what is happening... Nothing happened, nobody is interested.. Hey, boys will be boys, heheh heheh, that is a global way and animal kindom is build like this.. Go to cry another river

Now when there is guys around who has bigger tools, they get freaked out to lose their statue of seeding alpha male and suddenly started to give ear for this subject that women has repeat since for ever.

That is ridiculous! Shamefull!

native boys will be boys and girls has to suffer but african boys not will be boys here and girls need to be saved from them.... Sure if their logic is better to you

Do you think I have no personal knowledge of sexual harassment and how society responded it? Do you think I would not reveal their double faced hypocrisy when I have first hand knowledge?

Do you think they would now get remission of history when school girls cried before breaks at school because guys were waiting with their groping hands? Few kept still and one grope her inside pants when she was crying. Tell me where these hypocrites were at those years when nobody of the adults stopped it?

Who said then: stop groping our student, our children, our girls?

No one!

I was not groped at that school they luckily left first grade alone. But I am crying now when I am memorizing the moment when a girl lets call her victoria was captured by guys behind a building and I saw she was crying to trying to get away and when I asked a teacher to help they said: "that is just guys play"

So don't you dare to preach me about what for I am pissed of in this rididiculous hypocrisy with sexual assaults.

Thanks for understanding
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Old 01-29-2016, 02:49 PM
 
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@ soulwound : you seem to have a terrible grudge towards your male countrymen. I don't want to know why, you were probably victim of a rape by a Finnguy (not a "fine guy" lol), Im sorry for you but it shouldn't obscure your judgment.
If you think you could have it better as a female in an Islamic society, I beg you to think twice, or you could be in for very bad surprises.
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Old 01-29-2016, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Europe
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@ soulwound : you seem to have a terrible grudge towards your male countrymen. I don't want to know why, you were probably victim of a rape by a Finnguy (not a "fine guy" lol), Im sorry for you but it shouldn't obscure your judgment.
If you think you could have it better as a female in an Islamic society, I beg you to think twice, or you could be in for very bad surprises.

Ah, you are a troll, let me set you into my ignore list

None of your "shooting in blind-guesses" went right"
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Rape and sexual harrassment has been an ongoing debate here for long.
It has been since the beginning of the time and things still havent change. It is accepting and indeed the gained knowledge makes accepting even worse. We have surveys, studies, proves what it makes to a woman being, we have numbers how much and places where it happends..

And it still continues


What might be the reason for that really?

= Because society still accepts it as a norm

"boys will be boys and that is a cross that girls have to carry" oh well things will be same till apocalypse thanks to good brother-society which still objectifies women in commercials and rapes them at top ten music... Where guys supposed to learn honor a woman being?

Where and how this honoring can be seen in our society?



It is just like with endless greedyness, nobody want to stop. If society wants something, it makes it happend. Therefore there is no motivation nor want to end it. Just hypocrisy just as much that it could kept going on behind scenes. There is always excuses why not to get fit, there is always excuses why to not stop exploiting women.. And society invests more and is more interested to get people fit than stop exploiting women (= which is indeed investing into exploiting instead investing to end it). Always new trends to invest and exploit.

Which generation would put the end for exploiting a woman gender? Instead repeating physical wars between countries and getting a name into history book like that someone could get a name into history book by saving women from endless exploitation.

Thanks to all brave knights and knightlettes who are trying to take over the equality to women, will your name be written into history as the man or as the woman who really made revolution and took over the world

All older woman generations were exploited just as ours. Nothing really changed yet... Well, maybe the cave and barn assaults changed into a bar and office assaults but assaults itself did not disappeared anywhere yet.

Charles Fourier, a Utopian Socialist and French philosopher, is credited with having coined the word "féminisme" in 1837 ----> 2016 how much more time people are going to waste meanwhile debating? There is no anything to debate, make women rights true and stop making excuses.

That is just playing time, more time for "boys to be boys"... Endlessy Meanwhile waiting men to grow up so much that gender equality does not scare them anymore, lets keep fining girls that uses pepper spray against their rapist.

And Ariete I am not just talk about finland but this is larger problem. Maybe differently disguished in different countries but basicly there are still same problems to deal with everywhere.
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Old 01-29-2016, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Europe
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If they can point us to right channels, we can send emails and maybe could use social media hashtags??
Generally

You can find many channels by googling, especially official addresses to courts, coverments and police. Usually facebook stuff etc. comes up with googling. Often by little effort you also find people who are connected with things, names are at news or if not names there is always some hint which is pointing into certain direction. etc. There is also lot of samples how to write a nice little letter to express your worries about issues. In case you would need ideas.

You just need to use translate program to dig further if anyone has not made translations in english yet.


I suppose CD does not like activist lists, petitions posted on the forum etc. Also I don't want to end up into americas wanted-list by "educating new activists", environment activist (=terrorist in america) stigma is enough for me. But you will find everything by googling


You can also find different organizations email lists too and by joining you get current issues information to your email. Of course they usually comes cherry picked and all organizations has no resources but to pick just few current issues. The smaller countries, the harder is find small local organizations. Sometimes they are runned just by few active people without funds.

It is a fun hobby especially if likes different languages to be amusing Don't support anything that you don't understand, lol


And don't get depressed if you happend to get answers from officers, they are usually "thanks for concern, we don't care a f" or "this issue is something that we cannot".. but after some while you can read from news that they heard you. Especially if enough people sent feedback of the same issue.
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:16 PM
 
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I don't have much to add in the way of facts to the original post or to the story from the middle school being discussed above, but if anyone hurt me or my family and wasn't held to account for it...I guess I just don't understand how any of the offending parties are still alive.


While I haven't seen the unfolding migrant crisis with my own eyes--so it's difficult for me to separate the hysteria from the true crisis--it seems like parts of northern Europe, Sweden in particular, have to be on the doorstep of a civil war if even a fraction of the bad news is true. If there's anything worth fighting for, this is it. Forget high taxes or government surveillance or corrupt politicians, if there really is a crime epidemic and a national identity crisis, this is it.


But maybe the typical Swedish dad thinks it's funny when his daughter gets raped...anything short of swift punishment by the state or, in the absence of that, swift revenge from the victims' families would seem to suggest that wouldn't it now? It's time to man up, northern Europe.


If it wasn't obvious, yes, I'm an American.
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Old 01-29-2016, 11:17 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Brief summary of each article, please? Just one or two sentences? Sounds interesting.
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Old 01-29-2016, 11:18 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I don't have much to add in the way of facts to the original post or to the story from the middle school being discussed above, but if anyone hurt me or my family and wasn't held to account for it...I guess I just don't understand how any of the offending parties are still alive.
The perp ran away, and I guess there were no surveillance cameras in the vicinity to catch a photo of him or anything. No way to identify him. It was in the article.
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Old 01-29-2016, 11:23 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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native boys will be boys and girls has to suffer but african boys not will be boys here and girls need to be saved from them.... Sure if their logic is better to you.

Yes, notice how they're suddenly so concerned about women, and they're using women to justify their prejudices. Now they're even suddenly so concerned about Jews! But when you point out that the articles say that most of the threats, harassment and violence that's causing Jews to leave Europe is from European extremists, neo-Nazis and the like, suddenly they disappear, or don't understand the post.


But now I see in the news that Sweden and Finland are preparing to expel 100,000 refugees, who didn't pass the screening process, so some people here should be happy. Is it true that it's that many? How are they going to send them away, that sounds expensive.

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