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Old 12-23-2010, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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What do they do with the bears once they hunt them? I'm from PA, and we had bears in our back yard quite regularly. We had larger properties, but not giganticly larger properties. I'm not sure which towns in NJ have these big bear problems, as I haven't followed the news on this, but I think they could come up with better solutions for monitoring the population. I'm not anti-hunting, but if there is no purpose for the hunt (hunt deer, eat venison), then I don't see the point.

When we start hunting animals because they're encroaching our space - it's time to take a step back and remember...we encroached theirs, so now we have to figure out a way to exist with them. Stop developing in those areas maybe?
Too late for that
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:14 AM
 
Location: NJ
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When we start hunting animals because they're encroaching our space - it's time to take a step back and remember...we encroached theirs, so now we have to figure out a way to exist with them. Stop developing in those areas maybe?
While I don't necessarily disagree with you, we all know that isn't going to happen.
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:20 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default Long live the bears! despite the good intentions

Great opportunity to manage the bear population in Nj ensuring their existence at a healthy and statistically safe level for as long as suitable habitat remains.

Precedent has been established over the decades in many states, through continual research, which concludes managing the population via hunting has been proven to be the best and most effective way to manage a healthy bear herd.

Think how amazing it is to have black bears in a state which now ranks fifth in population density and suffers from an industrialized paved and malled image. What a shocker!

Don't call yourself an animal lover and me a 'killer' until you have sucked milk from a baby bear's nose.

And no I didn't participate in the bear hunt as I have no desire to hunt black bear in NJ's circus atmosphere.






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Old 12-23-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: NJ
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When we start hunting animals because they're encroaching our space - it's time to take a step back and remember...we encroached theirs, so now we have to figure out a way to exist with them. Stop developing in those areas maybe?
since when do animals have property rights?
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:22 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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PA has a weeklong archery hunt around thanksgiving. That's it. It's an effective way for controlling population, but obviously we need to figure out how to avoid dispersing them into more towns no?
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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Hunters are sick cowards who enjoy maiming and killing stuff that can't kill you back - always from a safe distance, of course.
The bear massacre is disgusting. Karma, I hope...
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:09 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Hunters are sick cowards who enjoy maiming and killing stuff that can't kill you back - always from a safe distance, of course.
The bear massacre is disgusting. Karma, I hope...
i think this is a sweeping generalization of hunters. not all hunters do it because they enjoy killing. some enjoy the sport of using guns, and also enjoy eating something they hunted. maybe this isn't even a majority of hunters, but definitely some.

unless you're a vegan, you really shouldn't talk about people killing something that can't kill you back from a nice safe distance. i think people who eat food and just assume it magically appears on their plate are pretty ignorant.

are farmers that slaughter pigs for your bacon and ham and pork sick cowards? how about the ones that slaughter cows? or keep chickens locked up in small cages. i mean...we are omnivores by design. you can choose to not eat any animals, but it doesn't make those of us that do sick cowards who enjoy maiming animals.

in fact, if you hunt your own food or raise your own food (or at least go to a local farm) - there's a significantly better chance that the animal was killed humanely after living a pretty nice life rather than from a factory farm...
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Old 12-23-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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i think this is a sweeping generalization of hunters. not all hunters do it because they enjoy killing. some enjoy the sport of using guns, and also enjoy eating something they hunted. maybe this isn't even a majority of hunters, but definitely some.

unless you're a vegan, you really shouldn't talk about people killing something that can't kill you back from a nice safe distance. i think people who eat food and just assume it magically appears on their plate are pretty ignorant.

are farmers that slaughter pigs for your bacon and ham and pork sick cowards? how about the ones that slaughter cows? or keep chickens locked up in small cages. i mean...we are omnivores by design. you can choose to not eat any animals, but it doesn't make those of us that do sick cowards who enjoy maiming animals.

in fact, if you hunt your own food or raise your own food (or at least go to a local farm) - there's a significantly better chance that the animal was killed humanely after living a pretty nice life rather than from a factory farm...
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Old 12-23-2010, 01:30 PM
 
Location: NJ
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If god didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
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Old 12-23-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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"Hunters are sick cowards who enjoy maiming and killing stuff that can't kill you back - always from a safe distance, of course.
The bear massacre is disgusting. Karma, I hope... "

If you have ever purchased any products such as this, you are complicit in the slaughter of innocent animals as you have paid someone else to commit the killing. Current law finds the person who hires someone to kill for them as guilty as the person who actually commits the murder.

What makes a pig less than a bear or deer?

Millions of turkeys quake in the pens as Thanksgiving nears. Spring lambs are slaughted as Middle Easten folks celebrate their holidays. Are all these people cowards?

A stray ****zu/ minature poodle running around your neighborhood is a safety concern. Imagine a stressed out predator weighing anywhere from 100 to 700 lbs in the same neighborhood and the no one should be concerned?

Perhaps if we could reason with the bears and suggest they wear condoms and get them to promise not kill livestock or pets. Ony in fantasy land could that be possible.

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