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Liberals often run cities like New York into
The ground financially. NYC will go bankrupt
Without a federal bailout and those pensions will disappear for state employees. It already has depressed
Upstate NY, but now it's gonna happen
In the city.
". . .You actually haven’t seen high crime if you think NYC has that. All you gotta go is go to next door neighbor Newark to see what real high crime is..."
It’s disgusting/appalling.
*just another nut getting his hands on an illegal gun*
What kind of high-crime people are they? Nobody is sick of it…..
why does society/authorities/the gov’t/ put up with it? Why? “ain’t” enough jobs back then! (pre-pandemic).
I finally read the article, and to me it sounds like pure speculation. I didn't really see any credible data posted; that's probably because it's still too early to tell. It was a lot to read for no proof.
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After 9/11, there were fears of a mass exodus fueled by the belief that the city was more susceptible to terrorism than it previously thought it was.
Data shows that never materialized. Some financial institutions moved their operations temporarily while Wall Street was rebuilt, but there was never a significant departure of residents, according to data released by the IRS which examined trends between 1997 and 2007."
Okay so going by this, there wasn't a significant departure of residents. Now for the Spanish Flu part:
"In the years that followed, there was a surge in population growth and building which revitalized the city. "
If I were to assume NYC follows what happened after the Spanish Flu, then population growth will cancel out if not exceed those who are leaving the city.
* Young families who were considering moves to the suburbs have been given the push they need, real estate experts say
* Singletons who can now work remotely from anywhere are also eyeing less expensive cities with better weather
* One real estate business told DailyMail.com they receive 'hundreds' of inquiries a week from people trying to
leave
*It raises questions of how the city's tax income will be affected by an exodus
*It is unclear how and when the city will reopen and which businesses will even be able to open their doors again after weeks with no income
Here is another article about New Yorkers rethinking their lives - this time from the ultra liberal UK Guardian:
Quote:
have long known that much of my life’s frustrations come from trying to have it both ways. Though they were made available to me, I shunned more traditional and more stable careers. Instead, I have continued, time and again, to try to be a writer, knowing full well this is not a stable choice. I simultaneously hoped for and attempted to create a stable life for our kids. I continued to attempt to perpetuate the illusion that I live the kind of life that people with more traditional jobs are able to afford – we kept living in New York, with two kids, kept trying to have health insurance and sometimes go to the dentist, kept trying to send our children to good public schools and summer camps.
Stability has long been little more than fantasy, is what I’m saying. But since this crisis – since our precarity has turned to terror, then futility; since the hole that we now find ourselves in has become too deep perhaps to ever claw our way back out – the absurdity of those delusions has become much more apparent. The shame I feel, toward all those years of pretending, is that much more pronounced.
Pretty whiny like most Guardian articles - pretty much confirms many people are looking at NYC differently
See now THAT is the type of person who sounds to me like they will have a hard time wherever they go. "Keeping up with the Joneses" exists everywhere, especially when you've already had a taste of NYC. Wherever that family goes next, they're going to need to feel like they are the best, further ruining their finances in an attempt to find happiness.
A lot of businesses have already been pulling out of NYC (due to prohibitive taxes and ability to do all business online nowadays), as well as middle class (due to the same reasons plus the cost of living). But I think Manhattan and some of Brooklyn will remain interesting to foreign tourists, and to better-off owners of pied-a-terres (non-residents of NY City or State). I think that the city will continue to cater to tourism and upscale leisure services, though the number of domiciled New Yorkers will likely shrink (which trend had started well before the virus).
Consider a smaller-scale example of the town of Telluride, CO. It started out as a mining town, but the mining business gradually disappeared for variety of reasons. But the town had a great appeal to upscale tourists because of its beautiful setting and romantic history... so it became a ski resort in the winter and golf resort in the summer. The town has a residential population of less than 2,500 people (median annual income about $55k) - but the tourist population at two peak times of the year is over 400,000 people, ie, almost 160 times the population of permanent residents. NYC could see some variant of that fate on a larger scale.
The thing is, tourists or pied-a-terre owners do not pay state income taxes. There is no mechanism to support any welfare population in Telluride, CO. There are the rich and the upper middle class who come to ski and golf, and there is a small local population all employed in hospitality business. With the exception of occassional traveling homeless hippie types, you don't see anyone poor in Telluride. The town has about 100 serious crimes per year, 80% of which are thefts. For a fairly recent year when I was briefly there, the statistics showed 18 assaults and 2 robberies (for the whole year, in a town that contains up to more than $400,000 people). These 20 things were the worst crimes registered in Telluride that year (that would correspond to about 380 assaults and 42 muggings per year extrapolated to the whole NYC population).
The Telluride, CO situation would be a pretty good outcome for NYC - if the city can figure out what to do with its welfare population. There is every indication that the city would not have been able to collect enough tax revenue this year to keep the same level of welfare benefits, even without the virus. There is also every indication that the city cannot count on too much federal help even in the year of the virus, let alone subsequently. I do maintain that the size of the welfare population is THE one and only problem that NYC has - everything else about NYC, including even its population density, has some positive aspect to it that can help the city more than it can hurt it. Only welfare has no positive aspects.
On the opposite side of Telluride (in terms of spectrum of outcomes for places with serious reduction in previously booming economy) is of course Detroit. NYC may choose to go that way too, as I said well before the virus...
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