Covid virus in phoenix (Pima, Maricopa: map of, yearly, typical)

[asufan]

Bloomberg has a good feature where you can click on the state and see how many people and what percentage of the population has received a vaccination. I don't have a link handy but Google it if interested.

[mkpunk]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Not everything is a joke and your accusation is wrong. I was asking a genuine question. Someone said Arizona should be ashamed - I was asking if other states were doing better (as in a better rollout of the vaccine).

It depends what you consider "better." If getting shots in the arms of older people is better, then Florida is doing better. If you want as many healthcare workers to get the shots, I can't tell you what state is the best. The biggest problem is we see there is a problem but our governor has been in his bunker largely since the election happened, and pops up every now and again. He is going to have the State of the State Monday night with an empty room while he still expects teachers to teach in a full classroom where we can't social distance. He wont push for a state mandate because the cities aren't enforcing it, while police wont enforce that like they didn't the stay at home orders in April/May. He wont push for the closures we had in summer that along with the mask mandate and no school, helped curtail the summer surge. Sadly, this winter surge doesn't seem like it is going away.

[FlurryCat]

Originally Posted by Eutychus2.0

Unfortunately comments like this aren’t helpful to actually solving the problem. Unless you have hard data to cite we don’t conclusively know what positive effect “taking more precautions” would have had on businesses.

How has that worked out for California?

California didn't put serious precautionary measures in place. People are complaining as if they did (like they do here and other places), but no:
The Government Chooses the Health of Businesses over Human Lives | The Smirking Chimp

California's latest shelter-in-place order is quite different from its first one...

...As social media platforms are filled with angry Angelenos blaming and shaming one another for brazenly vacationing and flouting social distancing guidelines, in truth, the burst of infections is the price that officials are willing to pay for ensuring that corporate profits are protected...

...Indeed, California has allowed businesses to remain open in part because of a dangerous decline in tax revenues and a lack of federal government funding to states to make up for pandemic-related losses. Again, authorities have chosen the sink-or-swim approach to business and public health. Why pay people to stay at home and remain safe when those individuals can simply risk their lives in the service of profit?...

...Businesses do need to continue operating if they want to make money. But large corporations have amassed so much wealth through the Republican Party's tax giveaways that surely those in non-essential industries can survive for a year or two while remaining closed and dip into their assets without threatening their bottom line...

...The situation is of course far different for small businesses that operate on razor-thin margins and are easily plunged into bankruptcy with just a few months of forced closures. But surely the world's richest government can pay such businesses to remain closed so that they can reopen safely once the danger is over.

[Returning2USA]

What is the ICU best availability in Phoenix as of today?

Are they still Triaging?

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by Returning2USA

What is the ICU best availability in Phoenix as of today?

Are they still Triaging?

Where my daughter works they are not "triaging" in the sense of denying anyone care to give it to someone else. They expand covid ICU by taking over other beds in the hospital. But ICU is the end of the road with covid. If covid lands you there, you are likely not going to make it - triage or not.

[509]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Are other states doing better? Serious question.

Doubtful.



One problem is that the medical community is using different metrics throughout the country. Then the media reports "meaningless" numbers that further confuse the issue.


Washington state is suppose to have the third lowest case rate in the nation. At 18.8 per 100,000.


Fine. In our local community the case rate is 645/per 100,000 last 14 days. This is significantly down from 1200 in the prior week. The Puget Sound metro area is running around 400 cases.


So where is the 18.8 rate coming from?? It is coming from the CDC which doesn't match the local health district numbers. The largest metro which is 60% of the state population with a rate in the 400 range and the average for the state is 18.8???!!!



From the medical community to the political leadership....not a clue on how to deal with this.

[KurtAZ]

Originally Posted by Returning2USA

What is the ICU best availability in Phoenix as of today?

Are they still Triaging?

Well according to KTAR this morning:

The number of Arizona’s COVID-19 hospital inpatients rose by 70 to 4,988 on Sunday. The number of COVID-19 patients in the state’s ICU beds rose to 1,122 on Sunday.

Statewide, suspected or confirmed COVID-19 patients took up a record-breaking 58% of all inpatient beds and 63% of all ICU beds.

Overall, inpatient beds beds were each 92% full, with 91% of ICU bed in use. Only 152 ICU beds were unused.

You all realize this isn't going away and, like any other coronavirus, it is mutating, right? The vaccine works on the coronavirus it was designed to work on. There was the original Chinese strain, a European strain...there is now a UK, South African and US strain/mutations. From what I understand, the vaccine doesn't work on the South African strain (different protein spikes) and MAY work on the new US mutation. This is going to be like getting the flu shot every year (not saying it is the flu) where they combine the most probable strains they THINK you MAY come in contact with. Over time, vaccines and antibodies are going to be a constant thing and hopefully cut down the number of deaths but it is NEVER going away.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

Well according to KTAR this morning:

The number of Arizona’s COVID-19 hospital inpatients rose by 70 to 4,988 on Sunday. The number of COVID-19 patients in the state’s ICU beds rose to 1,122 on Sunday.

Statewide, suspected or confirmed COVID-19 patients took up a record-breaking 58% of all inpatient beds and 63% of all ICU beds.

Overall, inpatient beds beds were each 92% full, with 91% of ICU bed in use. Only 152 ICU beds were unused.

You all realize this isn't going away and, like any other coronavirus, it is mutating, right? The vaccine works on the coronavirus it was designed to work on. There was the original Chinese strain, a European strain...there is now a UK, South African and US strain/mutations. From what I understand, the vaccine doesn't work on the South African strain (different protein spikes) and MAY work on the new US mutation. This is going to be like getting the flu shot every year (not saying it is the flu) where they combine the most probable strains they THINK you MAY come in contact with. Over time, vaccines and antibodies are going to be a constant thing and hopefully cut down the number of deaths but it is NEVER going away.

Pfizer says testing shows their vaccine is likely to work on both the UK and South African variants.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/pfiz...w-strains.html

[mkpunk]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

Well according to KTAR this morning:

The number of Arizona’s COVID-19 hospital inpatients rose by 70 to 4,988 on Sunday. The number of COVID-19 patients in the state’s ICU beds rose to 1,122 on Sunday.

Statewide, suspected or confirmed COVID-19 patients took up a record-breaking 58% of all inpatient beds and 63% of all ICU beds.

Overall, inpatient beds beds were each 92% full, with 91% of ICU bed in use. Only 152 ICU beds were unused.

You all realize this isn't going away and, like any other coronavirus, it is mutating, right? The vaccine works on the coronavirus it was designed to work on. There was the original Chinese strain, a European strain...there is now a UK, South African and US strain/mutations. From what I understand, the vaccine doesn't work on the South African strain (different protein spikes) and MAY work on the new US mutation. This is going to be like getting the flu shot every year (not saying it is the flu) where they combine the most probable strains they THINK you MAY come in contact with. Over time, vaccines and antibodies are going to be a constant thing and hopefully cut down the number of deaths but it is NEVER going away.

This remains to be seen. I think this just comes from how much of the iceberg is still under the water in regards to the virus.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

Well according to KTAR this morning:

The number of Arizona’s COVID-19 hospital inpatients rose by 70 to 4,988 on Sunday. The number of COVID-19 patients in the state’s ICU beds rose to 1,122 on Sunday.

Statewide, suspected or confirmed COVID-19 patients took up a record-breaking 58% of all inpatient beds and 63% of all ICU beds.

Overall, inpatient beds beds were each 92% full, with 91% of ICU bed in use. Only 152 ICU beds were unused.

You all realize this isn't going away and, like any other coronavirus, it is mutating, right? The vaccine works on the coronavirus it was designed to work on. There was the original Chinese strain, a European strain...there is now a UK, South African and US strain/mutations. From what I understand, the vaccine doesn't work on the South African strain (different protein spikes) and MAY work on the new US mutation. This is going to be like getting the flu shot every year (not saying it is the flu) where they combine the most probable strains they THINK you MAY come in contact with. Over time, vaccines and antibodies are going to be a constant thing and hopefully cut down the number of deaths but it is NEVER going away.

Nonsense. You can’t say with any level of certainty that this isn’t ever going away. We’ve eradicated viruses before. It’s not the time for this weak, defeatist attitude, at least without the science to back it up. There is already positive reporting about the vaccines’ efficacy against different strains. The vaccination schedule needs to be significantly ramped up. Unfortunately, we’ve been without a leader for months or more and are falling behind as a result.