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Why is it that America is the only Country that has heated debates about health care??????????????????
When are you and others going to figure out that this thread topic has absolutly nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with resistance to increasingly totalitarian state seeking to infringe upon Constitutionally affirmed rights?
I agree with you on the mandating... but on the part of what health insurance should or shouldn't cover should be negotiated between the insured and the insurer, should NOT be told what to cover by the government. If I don't want to have birth control coverage I shouldn't have to pay for it, if I don't want emergency room coverage, or urgent care, then I should be able to opt out of those things.
That's the problem with employer based insurance, the employer decides what's best for everyone, which is rarely actually correct. YMMV!
I'm saying that either the federal government should stay out of healthcare, or nationalize it.
If try to argue that insurance is NOT interstate commerce, you have a steep legal hill to climb. This is settled law.
I'm not saying it isn't settled law. I'm saying that the precedents that lead up to that being settled law were wrong, and if they wanted to regulate it, then there should be an amendment specifically granting them the power to do that.
Regulating commerce is not dictating that if you run this business, you must supply this service.
Whats next, tire salesmen must offer free mounting and balance by federal law?
How about a Republican President saying that if you offer abortions, then you must provide an ultrasound first?
This is why federal oversteps are such big problems, they cause more problems then they solve.
As I have said, numerous times now, I don't necessarily have a problem with health insurance companies having to provide contraception coverage. I think its not actually a bad idea, but its the next thing down the pipe that worries me.
Which is why it should be a power regulated to the states. The federal government shouldn't be used early and often. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I'm not saying it isn't settled law. I'm saying that the precedents that lead up to that being settled law were wrong, and if they wanted to regulate it, then there should be an amendment specifically granting them the power to do that.
Regulating commerce is not dictating that if you run this business, you must supply this service.
Whats next, tire salesmen must offer free mounting and balance by federal law?
How about a Republican President saying that if you offer abortions, then you must provide an ultrasound first?
This is why federal oversteps are such big problems, they cause more problems then they solve.
As I have said, numerous times now, I don't necessarily have a problem with health insurance companies having to provide contraception coverage. I think its not actually a bad idea, but its the next thing down the pipe that worries me.
Which is why it should be a power regulated to the states. The federal government shouldn't be used early and often. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
If you think these laws and regulations are all unconstitutional, you are free to be the Orly Taitz of regulations and try to overturn centuries of rulings. Be my guest.
If you think these laws and regulations are all unconstitutional, you are free to be the Orly Taitz of regulations and try to overturn centuries of rulings. Be my guest.
I try all the time, write the President and my elected officials to complain. Even if I didn't vote for them, they are still my elected representatives, and I ask them to do my bidding.
BTW, most of my opposition comes so that more abuse isn't done. But that doesn't seem to do any good.
Like I said, this kind of federal over reach can lead to a ton of things that liberals and conservatives won't agree with.
I think of the federal government as the nuclear option. It should be used rarely, if ever.
1) I don't know the Vanderbuilt College situation to speak on it.
2) Yes, schools, the hospitals, and universities in question are owned by the church. That doesn't take them under the blanket of religious organizations. They are indirect businesses. If the church happened to purchase all of IBM's stock, that wouldn't make IBM a religious organization. The vale of the church does not extend beyond the church itself.
First of all, IBM is not a nonprofit. Catholic hospitals are nonprofit organizations. As I said, there's a difference between a business owned by Catholics and an actual Catholic organization.
They are running it as an outreach/mission/charity/service organization. They dont' personally gain anything by running the hospital. So if you make operating the organization within the confines of their belief impossible, then it no longer serves any purpose to them. They might as well just say "Okay, bye"
I mean think about it. If you see a bunch of homeless people and walk up to one of them to give him $5 and he goes "no, give me ten" are you going to give him ten or are you going to give him nothing and go find another person who will be grateful for your $5?
That's essentially what you and the other "It's a War on Women!" people are doing. They're offering you free or discounted medical services in all areas except birth control and you're going "*********! Either give me birth control pills too or you can take your misogynistic diabetes care, heart surgeries, and cancer treatments and get out!"
And all the while you pat yourself on the back for how enlightened and tolerant you are, and call them bigots
It's really quite remarkable.
And by "you" in this message I am not referring to MTAtech personally, I'm meaning "you" in general.
courts have ruled that health insurance is part of interstate commerce, and area Congress has full domain.
Sure it's part of interstate commerce, just like banking
is. That only means health insurance can be regulated
to protect consumer rights.
It does not mean it can be "mandated for purchase
by a citizen". Just like the federal government can't
mandate I put my money in a bank.
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