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Old 03-27-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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Justice Scalia would disagree.
LOL. Scalia disagrees with everything.

 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Nobody is being disincluded.


B/c they want to marry another person of the same sex. That is not allowed and would be considered a special privilege. I was actually speaking in generalities, though.
No, that's not a special privilege. What is a special privilege is that you as a hetero are able to marry & a gay couple is not.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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So let's just legalize everything and say "If you don't want to participate, you don't have to, but anybody else around you might just participate and we don't care how it effects you." Again, speaking in generalities, b/c you fail to see the slippery slope this sets up.

It would be changing the law to any adult to any adult, what's to stop it from becoming any adult to any number of other adults, or any mammal to any mammal? And no, I'm not likening being gay to bestiality.
I'm ok with polygamy, but the family court and tax system isn't really set up to handle that arrangement. The gov should not be involved in granting benefits to some and not to others.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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LOL. Scalia disagrees with everything.
That's all you have to say? I'm fairly certain his "legal mind" is much more well-developed than yours or mine. Just b/c you don't like him doesn't mean you get to disregard what he says.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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No, that's not a special privilege. What is a special privilege is that you as a hetero are able to marry & a gay couple is not.
Again, one man, one woman. There is no reference to sexual preference or love.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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Again, one man, one woman. There is no reference to sexual preference or love.
You don't love your husband?
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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So let's just legalize everything and say "If you don't want to participate, you don't have to, but anybody else around you might just participate and we don't care how it effects you." Again, speaking in generalities, b/c you fail to see the slippery slope this sets up.
Okay. Since you are completely incapable of naming one iota of special privilege that would be afforded to homosexuals, you are stating more generalities without any specifics underneath and resorting to the slippery slope fallacy.

Now, I realize how difficult this may be, but in order to give credence to any of your argument, please provide at least one specific piece of evidence showing how legalization of homosexual marriage would directly affect you.

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It would be changing the law to any adult to any adult
Which is fair.

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what's to stop it from becoming any adult to any number of other adults
I actually don't see a problem with polygamy as long as all parties are consenting. I realize that tax laws are not currently capable of handling poly marriages, so that would be the only thing to consider on that front.

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or any mammal to any mammal?
Because the ability to sign a legally binding document is limited to those of consenting age. That's why a document signed by a minor must accompany an adult's signature - to bind it. A marriage license is a legal document that can only be signed by those capable of giving consent.

Now, should a day come when mammals or other animals are capable of giving legal consent, then this line of thinking may have merit.

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And no, I'm not likening being gay to bestiality.
Didn't say you were. Only that you're incapable of making a single defense of your statements and flit about, ignoring the questions that you are inept at being able to answer.

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ONE MAN. ONE WOMAN. The law says nothing about sexual preference or love. Why is that so hard to understand? There is no "equal protection" needed.
So why one man and one woman?

What makes it so unique?

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Yes, I'm doing that purposely so you can see what just expanding laws willy nilly might lead to.
So you're purposefully being intellectually dishonest because you have no other way to present your fallacy-filled evidence-lacking blather. Fair enough. At least you're honest about your capacity (or lack thereof) to hold a proper debate.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Actually, at the start of the gay rights movement, the situation was worse for gays:

Gays were
1. illegal
2. mentally ill
3. immoral and sinnerrs.

Blacks were subject to Jim Crow, to be kept segregated and in their place. But they had a place in society, on the margins.


The place for gays in society was behind bars or under arrest, on the couch or in the nuthouse, or in the coffessional repenting of their sin....in other words there was no place for gays as openly gay or lesbian people in society.

The prejudice against gays is stronger and has stronger basis as the basis is religous. Its more akin to anti-semtism, as that prejudice was also based on religion, and the targets, Jews, couldn't be readily identified, like gays can not readily be identified.
To argue that gays faced harsher discrimination is extremely insulting. Are you seriously comparing having to socialize "behind bars" with being lynched?

This is why many black people (myself included) have a problem with the comparison. Because in doing so, many trivialize the absolute horrors of slavery/Jim Crow.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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To argue that gays faced harsher discrimination is extremely insulting. Are you seriously comparing having to socialize "behind bars" with being lynched?
Is the issue that you've never heard of Matthew Shepard, or just that it doesn't bother you that he was murdered for being gay? There are no other options.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Nobody is saying that homosexuals have it exactly like blacks used to. Only that there are parallels and comparable aspects. Apples are not oranges, but we can compare them. Discrimination based upon sexual orientation is not the exact same as discrimination based upon race, but we can compare them. Sociology is a pretty awesome field to study. You see parallels between societal aspects you may not have ever considered.
Yes, but what many fail to realize is that even bringing it up as a comparison point is insulting. On the one hand, folks attack black people for being homophobic, the reason for the failure of Prop 8, religious bigots, etc and on the other you want to say "come on brother, we're just alike. Let's do this together". Bottom line: you can't trample over us and also expect us to go along with you.

While gays are discriminated against, comparing their struggles to the HUNDREDS of years of slavery and all that involved (separation of families, beatings, rapings, etc) followed by decades of Jim Crow discrimination (lynching, police brutality, unfair due process, etc) is insulting and calls up emotional responses in many people.

Why I support gay rights, comparing your right to marry your partner to the travesties committed against black people invokes outrage, not sympathy.
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