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Old 03-27-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Is the issue that you've never heard of Matthew Shepard, or just that it doesn't bother you that he was murdered for being gay? There are no other options.
Heard of Matthew Shapard and his story haunted me for a while. BUT, while a travesty, that incident was an exception not the everyday norm re: the treatment of gays. Blacks being lynched was a Saturday family outing for many.

 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I hear some people try to compare the gay marriage issue to what blacks went through. I just heard someone compare it to Jackie Robinson. Stop it. That's appalling. Homosexuals as men and women never suffered or are treated like blacks were. To make such a comparison is disgusting.

Civil rights are not being violated. You can do anything another normal man or woman can do.

This entire issue has been blown out of proportion with stupid rhetoric
I agree. Although I am in favor of gay marriage, comparing that issue with the past of AAs (and American Indians) is an insult to the latter. Gay marriage is an issue of these modern times of luxury, when most real human rights problems have already been solved in the West - at least on paper.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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So then if marriage is irrelevant, why keep pushing for it? Just b/c you love someone doesn't mean you have to get married.
Because gays want the legal benefits that come with a marriage.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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You don't love your husband?
I love my husband, yes. But there are no stipulations on the legality of our marriage as far as love is concerned.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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I love my husband, yes. But there are no stipulations on the legality of our marriage as far as love is concerned.
So what quantifies as a valid stipulation for having a relationship recognized by the state?

And by valid, pointing at genitalia is not valid as that would condone gender discrimination.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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Again, one man, one woman. There is no reference to sexual preference or love.
Would it be acceptable to you if the fed gov recognized gay unions and gave benefits to gay unions? (The same benefits that are enjoyed by hetero married couples.)
 
Old 03-27-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Amazing how conservatives love rallying to the Black Cause when Gays come up in the civil rights discussion.

Have the same conversation without Gays in the equation, then the same conservatives are back to their default position of viewing blacks with their normal hostility and contempt.

I'm not falling for it though some of my dumber black brethren are all too happy to post along.

I'm black, and I have no problem with gay people comparing their struggle to ours. Speaking for myself only.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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I love my husband, yes. But there are no stipulations on the legality of our marriage as far as love is concerned.
So you would've married him if you didn't love him?
 
Old 03-27-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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Rights movements often refer to other rights movements and the struggles of other groups as analogies to their own.

Black slavery abolitionists, for example, referred to the Jews of Egypt to help make their cause against slavery.


It helps contextualize and illustrate a particular group's struggles in ways that are more accessible to others who understand or accept the historical struggles of other groups.


It's why in particular, gay marriage is so easily analogized to miscegenation laws. The same and similar tired arguments raised by anti-gays today were used to support miscegenation laws decades ago.
 
Old 03-27-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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I hear some people try to compare the gay marriage issue to what blacks went through. I just heard someone compare it to Jackie Robinson. Stop it. That's appalling. Homosexuals as men and women never suffered or are treated like blacks were. To make such a comparison is disgusting.

Civil rights are not being violated. You can do anything another normal man or woman can do.

This entire issue has been blown out of proportion with stupid rhetoric
Homosexuals want gay marriage, because they believe it will bring them a certain level of acceptance by society at large. It has very little to do with valuing marriage ideals such as monogamy and family, and everything to do with pushing the notion that homosexual activity is normal.

Blacks and gays are like apples and cats. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. The fight for civil rights was just that, a fight for civil rights, and should not be used to justify gays being allowed to marry. Gays are simply trying to legitimize their lifestyle by demanding that their unions be viewed in the same fashion as a traditional marriage between a man and a woman. If people believe that there is no difference, so be it, but I know what is right, and homosexuality is a sin and nothing or no one will ever be able to convince me that it is not.
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