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Old 05-15-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: North America
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For what's worth, this analyst thinks gold could drop to $500/ounce. I don't think it will go THAT low, but I DO expect it to drop to $1,100/ounce or so.

'Gold Is Toast!' Why It Could Drop to $500: Pro

Regarding interest rates - sure, interest rates will rise at some point - that's NOT the "end of the world", nor does it mean gold will benefit. A modest rise in rates will be handled just fine and there's just no reason to intelligently assume that a rise in rates will be either excessively sudden or excessively high.

Same with inflation. At SOME point, inflation WILL pick up - but again that's not the "end of the world", nor does is mean gold will benefit. As long as the rise is neither excessivly sudden nor excessively high, a modest rising of interest rates will cool the inflation off - as it typically does - without doing an major damage to the economy.

The problem you guys seem to have is that you are Drama Queens - you base your plans on the worst-case scenario even though that scenario is outlandishly unlikely. The fact is, with interest rates at HISTORIC LOWS, the Fed had NEVER been in a better position to tackle an appearance of inflation. The prime rate could be doubled or tripled and interest rates would STILL be pretty reasonable.

Yes, the debt IS high - as is the deficit, but as a percentage of the total economy NEITHER is a record - and we dealt with those much higher (again, as a percentage of the GDP) deficits and debts back then and we'll deal with both the deficit and the debt now. You folks have wayyyyyyy too little faith in your country.

Ken
I faith in the nation.

I DON'T have faith in the politicians.

What the heck do you think will happen to debt service when interest rates "normalize"?
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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It is now 101 yen for a dollar. Where is this "crashing dollar"?
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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How long have you been singing that tired old tune?

I'll be GLAD to talk to you in 2 years.



Ken

PS: "Conventional wisdom is that gold is an inflation hedge and a safe haven, but a new study finds otherwise..."

5 Reasons Not to Buy Gold - Barrons.com
"Conventional wisdom" didn't see the crash of 2008 coming.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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"Conventional wisdom" didn't see the crash of 2008 coming.
Um, you DO understand don't you that you just made my point? "Conventional wisdom" is WRONG about gold. It is neither a hedge against inflation nor a safe haven.

Ken
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I faith in the nation.

I DON'T have faith in the politicians.

What the heck do you think will happen to debt service when interest rates "normalize"?
You just proved my point - you are not basing your investing decisions on the DATA, but rather on your POLITICS - that's a poor way to invest.

Regarding any rise in interest rates - the majority of the debt is at FIXED rates, so a rise in rates will have little effect on the existing debt. At the moment we've got debt that is REALLY cheap - in fact, we pay LESS on the debt today than we did under the Reagan Administration.

New debt we take on after rates rise, of course is another story, but with the deficit falling rapidly, new debt probably won't be excessive by then - that's why it's so significant that the deficit is falling so rapidly NOW (ie BEFORE rates begin to rise). The lower we can get the deficit down before we have to raise rates, the far better off we'll be, so it's GREAT news that the deficit is falling so rapidly.

Ken
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: North America
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Um, you DO understand don't you that you just made my point? "Conventional wisdom" is WRONG about gold. It is neither a hedge against inflation nor a safe haven.

Ken
The "conventional wisdom" is that gold is a useless metal that has no real value and serves no purpose except for insane preppers.

If investors ignored the conventional wisdom more often there would be a lot more rich people around.
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:56 PM
 
Location: North America
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You just proved my point - you are not basing your investing decisions on the DATA, but rather on your POLITICS - that's a poor way to invest.

Regarding any rise in interest rates - the majority of the debt is at FIXED rates, so a rise in rates will have little effect on the existing debt. At the moment we've got debt that is REALLY cheap - in fact, we pay LESS on the debt today than we did under the Reagan Administration.

New debt we take on after rates rise, of course is another story, but with the deficit falling rapidly, new debt probably won't be excessive by then - that's why it's so significant that the deficit is falling so rapidly NOW (ie BEFORE rates begin to rise). The lower we can get the deficit down before we have to raise rates, the far better off we'll be, so it's GREAT news that the deficit is falling so rapidly.

Ken
Dude, no one said anything about basing INVESTMENT DECISIONS on politics.

This is about WEALTH PROTECTION.

I don't base a purchase decision about buying Coca-Cola stock on what Barack Obama had for breakfast. Please learn the difference between an equity and a store of value.

The DATA is firmly on my side.

Regarding bonds and interest rates...apparently you don't understand the relationship between bond crashes and institutional investing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ist_.282011.29

You are hoping that bond prices remain elevated forever. That can't happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtPbHAHdRRk

Hope is not a strategy.

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Old 05-15-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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Well with the dip in price the big guys are buying like crazy. Central Banks are breaking records apparently. Gold council reports largest reserves in about 50yrs. Many reserves are being drained and request for possession of the real thing are not being fulfilled.
Gold Rout for Central Banks Buying Most Since 1964: Commodities - Bloomberg

Comex Gold Inventories Collapse By Largest Amount On Record | Bull Market Thinking

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Old 05-15-2013, 02:24 PM
 
Location: North America
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Trading gold in India continues to rise - YouTube


Chinese Housewives Sustain Gold Prices - YouTube

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...-gold-crashing
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:30 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Well with the dip in price the big guys are buying like crazy. Central Banks are breaking records apparently. Gold council reports largest reserves in about 50yrs. Many reserves are being drained and request for possession of the real thing are not being fulfilled.
Gold Rout for Central Banks Buying Most Since 1964: Commodities - Bloomberg

Comex Gold Inventories Collapse By Largest Amount On Record | Bull Market Thinking
Yeah, I know about that - that's what brought about the partial price recovery. That's old news now though. That buying has tapered way off and prices are back in collapse mode.

Ken
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