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Old 08-18-2014, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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All sorts of businesses choose not to absolutely maximize profits for various reasons --- closing on Sundays or certain holidays, choosing not to sell certain products, not investing in certain companies, and yes, some even pay higher wages than necessary to attract employees.

You're stuck on the false notion that every owner's 1st priority is always to maximize profit.

I don't personally know the owners of the Vermont resort that refused to host a lesbian wedding, but I'd bet they are happier people with less profit from wedding receptions than from compromising their beliefs.

In this case, I have no problem with the couple publicizing the incident. Let the chips fall where they may.
In the simplest terms, a business is about making money. Businesses fail all the time for lots of reasons. Many times it is because of the owner's inability to understand the importance of making money with a business.

 
Old 08-18-2014, 04:11 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Except homosexuality ISN'T a choice. What if they decided they don't want to sell to people with mental retardation, that would be fine with you too I assume?
It is a choice. It's a behavior, a learned behavior.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It is a choice. It's a behavior, a learned behavior.
So when did you learn how to be straight?
 
Old 08-18-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Houston
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In the simplest terms, a business is about making money. Businesses fail all the time for lots of reasons. Many times it is because of the owner's inability to understand the importance of making money with a business.

You can set priorities when you own your own business. Few business owners work 7 days a week 18 hours a day to maximize income.

The chief good is happiness.

If everyone's only objective was maximizing income you would never see an attractive female working a minimum wage job.

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Old 08-18-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Are you suggesting that you ARE qualified to interpret the Bible? The Bible has been translated and interpreted so many different times, how can you be so sure that the way YOU interpret it, is the correct way? People continue to interpret and study the Bible and still disagree on what passages mean, because it's all an interpretation. But regardless, that doesn't matter because the Christian Bible or any religious book for that matter don't get to dictate how a diverse society is governed.
The common misconception, or myth. Bible translators work from the original languages. They have studied those languages (Greek, Hebrew) as well as the cultures and customs of the day. The various English translation are all derived from the same original manuscripts. They have not translated from translations. Thus, there may be some differences in the words used (our modern English is different from Elizabethan English; we don't use "thee," "thou," and "thy"). But the meaning can be understood, and is not lost through translation. And those skilled in the old languages (Greek, Hebrew) are able to give us the nuances that may not come through in the English. Your argument (and we hear it all the time — it's the most common cliché) is a straw man.

There is very little disagreement among theologians about the meaning of important passages. Can you cite some?

As to your final comment: So, because we are so "diverse," we must set aside Biblical truth, and accept whatever is the popular, trendy, pseudo 'truth' of the day, which comes from imperfect, fallen Man? No, thanks. There is no truth apart from God's truth.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You can set priorities when you own your own business. Few business owners work 7 days a week 18 hours a day to maximize income.

The chief good is happiness.

If everyone's only objective was maximizing income you would never see an attractive female working a minimum wage job.
So tell me, what happens when a business doesn't make a profit?
 
Old 08-18-2014, 06:00 PM
 
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So tell me, what happens when a business doesn't make a profit?
I never make a profit......never will.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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It is a choice. It's a behavior, a learned behavior.
It is not a choice. But let's split the difference and agree to disagree. We can agree that it is a choice to be a Christian - especially that type of Christian. Why should the business owners not be scrutinized for their poor choice of lifestyle?
 
Old 08-18-2014, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I never make a profit......never will.
Sounds like you run a welfare business. In the business of leeching money from others.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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The common misconception, or myth. Bible translators work from the original languages. They have studied those languages (Greek, Hebrew) as well as the cultures and customs of the day. The various English translation are all derived from the same original manuscripts. They have not translated from translations. Thus, there may be some differences in the words used (our modern English is different from Elizabethan English; we don't use "thee," "thou," and "thy"). But the meaning can be understood, and is not lost through translation. And those skilled in the old languages (Greek, Hebrew) are able to give us the nuances that may not come through in the English. Your argument (and we hear it all the time — it's the most common cliché) is a straw man.
Wrong. Different translations create controversy. Period. There is no arguing that statement. If different translations didn't create controversy, you wouldn't have so many different beliefs from the same book.

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There is very little disagreement among theologians about the meaning of important passages. Can you cite some? As to your final comment: So, because we are so "diverse," we must set aside Biblical truth, and accept whatever is the popular, trendy, pseudo 'truth' of the day, which comes from imperfect, fallen Man? No, thanks. There is no truth apart from God's truth.
And this here again proves why religion cannot be used to make laws for an entire country. You're essentially saying that your religion is "THE" religion, it is the "CORRECT" religion and everyone should follow it, no questions asked. Newsflash, the Bible is only relevant to Christianity. Essentially, you come off as brainwashed. When a person loses his or her ability to think independently, he or she can be seen as brainwashed. You use the term "imperfect, fallen Man" ... the Bible was written by man, so you expect me to believe that the "men" that wrote the Bible were simply stenographers for God?

There are so many other religions in the world than just Christianity. As a country, we're guaranteed the right to practice whatever religion we choose. With that said, why do people like yourself insist on attempting to have YOUR religion be "THE" religion? The First Amendment to the Constitution protects freedom of religion by banning Congress from passing any law respecting an establishment of religion and from prohibiting people from freely exercising their religion. You're free to practice your own religion, but thinking that every single person should "join in" is just purely idiotic. Then you wonder why people like you don't receive respect in regards to your beliefs--because respect is a two-way street. It's also comic that folks like yourself tend to use terms like the "gay agenda," meanwhile, you're so narrow-minded in regards to your own religion, you have your own agenda to push as if you're in sales. How quaint...
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