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Old 04-02-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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Yeah, it is extremely expensive. They are building a desalination plant in San Diego, that will produce water at a cost > $2000 per acre foot which is a factor of ~10 higher than current water sources. It is not lies, it is energy intensive and therefore expensive to desalinate water.
Did you just not read my post that you responded to?
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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So we should just turn the utilities over to the Feds? Maybe they can just click their mouse and transfer $20 billion to Bechtel and a magic water desalination plant will appear.
That's exactly how they fund the military, yet you aren't complaining about it.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How on earth will they enforce that?
My area underwent a serious drought back in 2003-4. All municipal outside watering was banned. If caught watering, you got a $200 ticket on the first offence. Fines escalated on subsequent offences.

The big offenders were those with underground sprinkler systems on timers, typically set for 3-4 AM.

It was easy enough to tell who ignored the temporary ordinance. Their grass was green.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:04 PM
 
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Yup. Are you trying to argue that desalination isn't expensive?

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Did you just not read my post that you responded to?
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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80% of California's water goes to agriculture - much of it on cash crops for export, like alfalfa, almonds, pistachios - all of which are ridiculously thirsty crops for a desert.

Right-wing farmers have posted signs up and down I-5 blaming Democratic politicians for the state's water woes, with the tag line "Farmers Feed America." But these days, those whiny entitled welfare recipients aren't feeding America - they're feeding China. Or, in the case of alfalfa, Chinese cows.

Unfortunately, Jerry Brown - like every other politician in CA, of both parties - is terrified of the Big Ag lobby, even though agriculture represents less than 2% of the economy. So there are no restrictions being proposed for agriculture whatsoever. Us urban dwellers are being asked to take 2-minute showers while the Republican fat-cat farmers continue to guzzle their state-subsidized water and laugh at us all the way to the bank.
Think you nailed it.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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That's exactly how they fund the military, yet you aren't complaining about it.

Then you haven't read all my posts.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If the liberals would enforce immigration laws the valley would dry up and save billions of gallons of water. What are the chances of that happening?
Illegal immigration became a tidal wave in the 80's.
It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority.
Doing nothing is intentional and defacto amnesty.

Only 4 states have mandated e-Verify be used for all employees. Why is this?
Of the bevy of current and prior state governors hoping to be nominated in 2016, how many have used their influence to enact e-Verify laws in their state? Zero.

Mandatory e-Verify is a part of the bipartisan Senate immigration plan that has gone nowhere fast.

No fence is high enough nor troops deep enough so long as the root cause, employment of undocumented workers, persists.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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About the same as the chances of the conservatives enforcing immigration laws.
Who built all those homes and commercial developments in Texas?
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Illegal immigration became a tidal wave in the 80's.
It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority.
Doing nothing is intentional and defacto amnesty.

Only 4 states have mandated e-Verify be used for all employees. Why is this?
Of the bevy of current and prior state governors hoping to be nominated in 2016, how many have used their influence to enact e-Verify laws in their state? Zero.

Mandatory e-Verify is a part of the bipartisan Senate immigration plan that has gone nowhere fast.

No fence is high enough nor troops deep enough so long as the root cause, employment of undocumented workers, persists.

The republicans tried to insert e-verify into Obamacare. Guess who said "over my dead body"? Hint: she's a liberal.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Yup. Are you trying to argue that desalination isn't expensive?
Desal is not unreasonably expensive for residential users these days, though it would run up the price of agricultural products significantly. The major hurdle for doing it is rainfall. Eventually the snow comes and the reservoirs fill and it can no longer compete. The plants are mothballed and fall into decay. It is a lousy investment unless you can force people to use desal in good and bad times. If drought were certain, CA would certainly be doing desal on a much grander scale.
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