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Old 01-03-2017, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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My daughter has wanted to be a Boy Scout (Cub Scout) ever since her brothers started. (Our pack is very easy-going about sibling participation, but it's not quite the same when they can't be awarded any achievements.) What's to say that she can't just claim trans-gender status? It would be easier than trying to get the Girl Scout program to get with the times and adopt more outdoor/athletic/technological programs. Then what? It's no longer Boy Scouts, is what. To some, that's fine. I like Boy Scouts the way it is, though. Particularly as they get older, it's nice for boys to have boys only activities - for a number of reasons. In the meantime, my daughter will join Venturers as soon as she's able.
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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Transgender, riding motorcycles, driving a car with no seatbelt on, not caring if your child learns to read, gun violence, shooting heroin in your arm I look at all in terms of reality. In other words even though I may like to catch a .45 caliber bullet in between my teeth the reality trumps what I would like.

"What if my child was like that?"

What if my child was a pedophile or crack cocaine addict?

Many days back I was speaking with a male alcoholic that also claims to have sexual addictions. Primarily to watching porn. So he went or goes to some 12 Step like group for sex addicts. He says he no longer views porn.

But in our conversation he says some experts say most men are sex addicts and that growing numbers, over half of underage girls, are now sex addicts but their sexual addiction manifests itself under the delusion of "needing love" by always having to be in a romantic relationship.

One guy he knows who is a sex addict got so much deeper into his sexual addiction that he began having sex with men even though he is not sexually attracted to men. The guy told him the tabooness of gay sex aroused him.

The liberal that can't grasp that fails to accept gay men married women, with erections had sex with their wives, ejaculated in them via orgasms, and fathered children. If banging a woman for 5, 10, or 20 years does not make a gay man "straight" like Obama's white ancestry does not make him "white" then a dude having sex with another man or men for years does not make him gay and Obama's black ancestry does not make him black.

The beauty of Orthodox Christianity is it not only regards attachments to sins as addictions termed "passions," but it shot modern Catholicism and the Democrat Party religion and the Republican Party religion in the a&$ when Orthodox Christianity proclaimed all people are sinners. All. And therefore transgender and homosexuals are brought down from their high towers to be equal with the rest of mankind as sinners, or as Jesus proclaimed to Early American liberals and conservative s armed with stones, "He who has not sinned cast the first stone."

The modern American is much like adult pedophiles. Take the Satanic statues the Church of Satan always wants to put up in public places. The statue depicts Satan in goat head I believe, with CHILDREN standing before him, not adults. So to modern Americans target children with moral corruption.

But Jesus says sin must happen in this world, but woe to the world and woe to the person whom sin comes through to be spread to others. And Jesus says that any adult that causes children to stumble in faith in him, to sin, such adults would be better thrown into the ocean with a heavy weight tied around their neck.

The transgender child is not the problem. They are God's children. The greater problem are their parents who like Satanic parents teaching their little children to worship Satan, or spread Satanism into schools, Cub Scouts, etc cetera, or in this case lead non-Satanic children into confusion. That being a boy or a girl is based upon cultural stereotypes, such as boys like to fix cars and watch the NFL on TV. (Neither of which I like doing or know much about, yet I have testicles and ejaculate sperm).
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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If you want to have a sex change I'm fine with that . If your gay I'm fine with that . If you want to have a sex change , just to be gay , I don't care, none of my bussiness.

But how does an 8 year old decide they want to be a different sex?? This I don't understand? 8 , thats maybe 3rd grade ????? This says alot about the parents if you ask me .
This girl boy whatever it is, will commit suicide by the time they are 21.
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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This girl boy whatever it is, will commit suicide by the time they are 21.
If the person was an adult you should not call the person an "it." But more especially you should not be calling a child an "it."

You words can be stones thrown on that child.

Jesus is close to the least of God's children on earth. He has already forewarned what you do to the least you do to him.

It's only by the grace of God you don't carry that child's same cross.
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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My daughter has wanted to be a Boy Scout (Cub Scout) ever since her brothers started. (Our pack is very easy-going about sibling participation, but it's not quite the same when they can't be awarded any achievements.) What's to say that she can't just claim trans-gender status? It would be easier than trying to get the Girl Scout program to get with the times and adopt more outdoor/athletic/technological programs. Then what? It's no longer Boy Scouts, is what. To some, that's fine. I like Boy Scouts the way it is, though. Particularly as they get older, it's nice for boys to have boys only activities - for a number of reasons. In the meantime, my daughter will join Venturers as soon as she's able.
Girl scouts does do lots of outdoor athletic activities, but it depends on the particular troop and leader. My dgd's troop has been camping since they were Daisies (5 to 6 years old). They do ice skating, horseback riding, camping, building bikes (volunteer activity), help with a food pantry, building a Monarch Butterfly Waystation and keeping it up (they did this for 3 years at a State Park for their Bronze Award and then did the helped plant the one in town as well).
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:38 PM
 
Location: California
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Default Transgender Boy Kicked Out Of Boy Scouts; People Mad Again

A little girl wants to be a boy so the parents are ok with that. Liberal parenting 101, maybe she will decide to be a prostitute well she is 8 years old.
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:39 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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This girl boy whatever it is, will commit suicide by the time they are 21.
He will if he is considered a throw-away by society.

Is that how you see him?
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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It's a difficult thing to point the finger at. Now I think the young child should be allowed to join. However, is Boy Scout's private organization? Heard it receives money from the Federal Government so it should be public and not discriminate towards anyone.
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:47 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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If the person was an adult you should not call the person an "it." But more especially you should not be calling a child an "it."
It denies being a girl and it sure isn't a boy. "It" is appropriate.
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:47 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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You say you personally lived through this. Does that mean you thought you were actually born the other gender? Or did you just want to do things that the other gender was permitted to do, but you were not permitted to do?

Hormones are not given until the child is close to puberty and truthfully that needs to be done very carefully. OTOH, allowing a child to wear the other gender's clothing and to play with toys that are specific to the other gender does not seem at all harmful to me even if the child decides later that they were incorrect about their feelings.
That was not really a concept back then, but had anyone worded it that way I would have agreed. I did not want to be a girl, I did not feel like a girl, I hated being a girl, and wished there was some way I could have turned into a boy.

I agree the wearing of the other gender's clothes, at least at home, and playing with whatever toys they want is not harmful. In my case my parents allowed me to act however I wanted at home but made it clear I was expected to act like a "proper little lady" when in public. I was told when I was an adult I could chose to live anyway I wanted but until then I had to follow their rules. Looking back on it they were pretty reasonable in how they approached it, especially given the social norms of the time. I knew they understood and always felt they were okay with me as I was, but they also taught me there was a time and place for everything and there was a big difference between public and private behavior.

I think they just looked at it as a phase I would eventually grow out of, and, as it turned out, they were right. I walked into 9th grade with one vision of myself and walked out of it with a very different one. I really think it would have been really hard for me to allow that change to occur if I or my parents had insisted everyone treat me like a boy despite the biology. Every time this topic comes up I wonder how my life would have been different if I were going through this today and I honestly don't think I would have come out of it today as emotionally healthy as I did back then. I think what sheltered me from emotional baggage was parents who made it clear they loved me no matter what and who tried to help me understand how to deal with being different.

I am not the only one who thinks this movement to total social transition prior to puberty may end up causing more harm than it prevents.

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As for the clinical management in children before the age of 10, we suggest a cautious attitude towards the moment of transitioning. Given our findings that some girls, who were almost (but not even entirely) living as boys in their childhood years, experienced great trouble when they wanted to return to the female gender role, we believe that parents and caregivers should fully realize the unpredictability of their child’s psychosexual outcome. They may help the child to handle their gender variance in a supportive way, but without taking social steps long before puberty, which are hard to reverse.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21216800
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1.2 Given the high rate of remission of GID after the onset of puberty, we recommend against a complete social role change and hormone treatment in prepubertal children with GID. (1 ⊕⊕○○) - See more at: http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/....8xh9mAS0.dpuf
An interesting article on the debate even within the science community: How the Fight Over Transgender Kids Got a Leading Sex Researcher Fired
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