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It has become clear recently that the FBI is a key part of the swamp and the swamp is getting desperate.
This looks like an act of desperation. If nothing is found this will be the end of Mueller’s career.
It's a full fledged Masonic, Communist, Zionist, Rothschild (and the other Illuminist families who own stake in the Federal Reserve and other Fractional Reserve World Banks) totally out of control, rogue, criminal government and has been for many decades now.
Essentially since 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act coup was passed and especially since the end of President Eisenhower's term and of course President Kennedy.
"I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I'm afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40."
I can't think of a worse move in the most controversial investigation of our lifetimes then for a special investigator to wander outside of his lane in order to bring down POTUS.
There is no defending against the witch hunt accusation now. Mueller exists only as an unprecedented institutionalized general threat to legitimately elected power, from the enemies of POTUS. Mueller can bring charges, but there will be little practical political defense against anything substantive that could be brought against Trump that results from this raid.
It looks justifiably aggressive to those who would see POTUS brought down under any circumstances. The reality is that its desperately aggressive to do something that looks so bad in that it further makes this look like a desperate and buthurt partisan witch hunt over an election loss.
After such a unvarnished coup, do the Dems really think that they can have their free and fair elections? The conservative base won't be so agreeable after this abuse of the system. The Dems have us steeped in banana republic style anti-democratic political strong arming, and are marching us toward a total breakdown of the system.
But bring it. This was likely inevitable. I'm actually happy that the Dems will shoulder the blame for the initial act. Charge away, and lets move your myopic short term political plans into gear as fast as possible. No need to drag this out. I hope that you are prepared.
We're just regular, honest, and patriotic Americans trying to save our country by any means necessary...
Keep up the good work, Mueller!
Hurry up, before the Russians arrive!
"By any means necessary" sounds like Mueller is breaking the law to accomplish his investigation
That is not accurate
He has followed the law, not broken it
He had evidence of a crime or more than one
He referred it to Rosenstein who agreed it was likely a criminal violation
Rosenstein referred the evidence to the SDNY
That office asked for a no-knock warrant for an attorney's offices and work product
That is a HIGH BAR to clear to get such warrants
A FEDERAL judge whom I heard was a Republican signed off on the warrants after seeing the evidence presented
They went to the sites with two teams--one of them a "taint" team to shield any work product NOT related to the specific charges--to basically PROTECT Cohen's interests and those of any clients not tied to the immediate investigation...
This is all above board and LEGAL
The fact is that Trump will never acknowledge this was legally done
He can't afford to
And Trump has never believed he has to obey the law like other Americans...
Sooo If I understand this correctly, Trump had consensual sex with a porn star prostitute and later when he was running for office he paid her to keep quiet about it... I would wager that half of the politicians in DC have similar skeletons in their closets..
Is this the new hope of the Dems to get Trump out of office since the Russian thing isn't working?
You don't understand correctly.
For a search warrant of this type, executed against an attorney (and the personal attorney of the sitting President, no less) for a raid that necessarily includes reams of documents subject to the attorney-client privilege, the bar was set extraordinarily high. Not only did the special counsel's office deem the evidence of wrongdoing against Cohen to be so compelling that he passed it along to the FBI, but then the FBI, the Justice Department, the Trump-handpicked US Attorney for the SDNY, high-up DOJ officials in Washington (perhaps including Jeff Sessions himself) and a Federal Magistrate Judge all gave it their stamp of approval for execution of a warrant.
If you really believe that this is an issue revolving around the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, you are woefully off-base. The evidence they already have is likely to have very little to do with the Presidential Campaign (given that Mueller referred it to the FBI rather take on the investigation himself) but is much more significant than the Stormy Daniels sideshow. As someone else on this thread noted, this is a mop-up job. To have been able to obtain this warrant under these circumstances, it is a near certainty that they have the functional equivalent of iron-clad evidence of significant wrongdoing against Cohen already.
Irony: Trump asked SD NY prosecutor Preet Bharara, an Obama appointee, to stay on. Bharara agreed. Then Trump fired him and replaced him with his own appointee, Geoffrey Berman. I suppose he thought Berman would be more loyal. It was BERMAN who got and executed the search warrant on Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen.
It's a LIE when Trump said it's Democrats. This is not related to the "Rusher" investigation. Berman is Republican, a Trump appointee. They're looking at Cohen for money illegalities.
Mueller ran across something about Cohen and, as is the normal practice for investigators, referred that info to the appropriate jurisdiction. In this case, it's the Southern District of New York (Geoffrey Berman). It was entirely Berman's decision to act on that information.
It must be pretty strong, for Berman to have taken this step. A SEARCH rather than just a subpoena means they're looking for some certain things and it was high risk that Berman would not turn it over voluntarily and might destroy it. That's why you do a surprise search and seizure.
Just fyi: This isn't the first time the $130k payoff/"donation" has been noticed. It was flagged by some authority previously as being "suspicious." I forget who that was. I'm thinking it was a bank?
Berman apparently recused himself from signing off on this because of HIS ties to Trump
It was another attorney in the office hierarchy who did
But Berman KNEW it was an ongoing investigation in the SDNY and apparently kept quiet, didn't leak to his former head partner Guilianni or anyone else on Trump's team...
I can't think of a worse move in the most controversial investigation of our lifetimes then for a special investigator to wander outside of his lane in order to bring down POTUS.
There is no defending against the witch hunt accusation now. Mueller exists only as an unprecedented institutionalized general threat to legitimately elected power, from the enemies of POTUS. Mueller can bring charges, but there will be little practical political defense against anything substantive that could be brought against Trump that results from this raid.
It looks justifiably aggressive to those who would see POTUS brought down under any circumstances. The reality is that its desperately aggressive to do something that looks so bad in that it further makes this look like a desperate and buthurt partisan witch hunt over an election loss.
After such a unvarnished coup, do the Dems really think that they can have their free and fair elections? The conservatie base won't be so agreeable after this abuse of the system. The Dems have us steeped in banana republic style anti-democratic political strong arming, and are marching us toward a total breakdown of the system.
But bring it. This was likely inevitable. I'm actually happy that the Dems will shoulder the blame for the initial act. Charge away, and lets move your myopic short term political plans into gear as fast as possible. No need to drag this out. I hope that you are prepared.
Hello Ken Starr! He made a career of 'wandering outside his lane" and the Republicans were FULL on board. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Secondly - all Mueller did was refer it. It's up to the STATE PA (Trump appointees) and Rosenstein (Trump appointee) to determine if it moves forward.
So let's see - Comey, Republican. Mueller, Republican. Rosenstein, Republican. State PA - Republican.
I can't think of a worse move in the most controversial investigation of our lifetimes then for a special investigator to wander outside of his lane in order to bring down POTUS.
There is no defending against the witch hunt accusation now. Mueller exists only as an unprecedented institutionalized general threat to legitimately elected power, from the enemies of POTUS. Mueller can bring charges, but there will be little practical political defense against anything substantive that could be brought against Trump that results from this raid.
It looks justifiably aggressive to those who would see POTUS brought down under any circumstances. The reality is that its desperately aggressive to do something that looks so bad in that it further makes this look like a desperate and buthurt partisan witch hunt over an election loss.
After such a unvarnished coup, do the Dems really think that they can have their free and fair elections? The conservatie base won't be so agreeable after this abuse of the system. The Dems have us steeped in banana republic style anti-democratic political strong arming, and are marching us toward a total breakdown of the system.
But bring it. This was likely inevitable. I'm actually happy that the Dems will shoulder the blame for the initial act. Charge away, and lets move your myopic short term political plans into gear as fast as possible. No need to drag this out. I hope that you are prepared.
This deep state nonsense would have more legs if your fundamental premise - e.g., that Mueller orchestrated or participated in the execution of this warrant - was true. According to Cohen's own attorney, that premise is not true on its face. Please take your easily-disproved conspiracy-addled foolishness back to a ConservativeTreehouse echo chamber because no one is buying the snake oil you are selling here.
For a search warrant of this type, executed against an attorney (and the personal attorney of the sitting President, no less) for a raid that necessarily includes reams of documents subject to the attorney-client privilege, the bar was set extraordinarily high. Not only did the special counsel's office deem the evidence of wrongdoing against Cohen to be so compelling that he passed it along to the FBI, but then the FBI, the Justice Department, the Trump-handpicked US Attorney for the SDNY, high-up DOJ officials in Washington (perhaps including Jeff Sessions himself) and a Federal Magistrate Judge all gave it their stamp of approval for execution of a warrant.
If you really believe that this is an issue revolving around the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, you are woefully off-base. The evidence they already have is likely to have very little to do with the Presidential Campaign (given that Mueller referred it to the FBI rather take on the investigation himself) but is much more significant than the Stormy Daniels sideshow. As someone else on this thread noted, this is a mop-up job. To have been able to obtain this warrant under these circumstances, it is a near certainty that they have near iron-clad evidence against Cohen already for significant wrongdoing.
In a normal circumstance, maybe. But nothing about this has been normal from beginning to end, and there is material evidence of strong anti-Trump bias throughout the FBI, the National Security Apparatus, his own party, and most everywhere else of significance to this matter. The FISA warrant did not meet such strict standards. The investigation itself, which smacks of an institutionalized coup attempt based on no charges and information purchased from the Russians, is absolutely unprecendented.
In short, you can self-soothe with rationalizations based in "meeting a high bar" but nothing so far has been held to such a bar that should have been. Good luck with the long term fallout.
Between your "must be" and "could not possibly be" is a whole world of sleazy, slimy most likelies.
Most likely, Mueller is so desperate to find anything to justify the existence of his undertaking that he has resorted to raiding the office of President Trump's lawyer: a ruse to gain access to private and confidential communications between an attorney and his client.
Am I the only one on this forum old enough to remember that the first target of Nixon's plumbers was the professional office of Dr. Lewis Fielding, psychiatrist for Daniel Ellsberg?
It seems we have come full circle.
No---I am certainly old enough to remember how it was the President's plumbers--not the FBI--who was doing dirty work to help the PRESIDENT win re-election by taining Muskey
And it was the President whose wrongdoing lead to conspiracy to coverup the crimes the President and his inner circle committed
And it was the PRESIDENT who forced the Saturday Night Massacre and set up a Constitutional Crisis trying to cover his ass
And it was the PRESIDENT who resigned before he could be impeached for those crimes
And it was the PRESIDENT who received a pardon
And the others within his circle who participated in planning, executing, and covering up those crimes and obstructing justice went to federal prison...while Nixon went to San Clemente by the Pacific...
An attorney who commits a crime with or without the knowledge of his client is no longer an attorney--
He is a criminal
And because even he is "presumed" innocent, evidence must be gathered of that criminality
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