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In a normal circumstance, maybe. But nothing about this has been normal from beginning to end, and there is material evidence of strong anti-Trump bias throughout the FBI, the National Security Apparatus, his own party, and most everywhere else of significance to this matter. The FISA warrant did not meet such strict standards. The investigation itself, which smacks of an institutionalized coup attempt based on no charges and information purchased from the Russians, is absolutely unprecendented.
In short, you can self-soothe with rationalizations based in "meeting a high bar" but nothing so far has been held to such a bar that should have been. Good luck with the long term fallout.
Umm. Ken Starr started out with a real estate investigation and ended up with a blue dress.
This deep state nonsense would have more legs if your fundamental premise - e.g., that Mueller orchestrated or participated in the execution of this warrant - was true. According to Cohen's own attorney, that premise is not true on its face. Please take your easily-disproved conspiracy-addled foolishness back to a ConservativeTreehouse echo chamber because no one is buying the snake oil you are selling here.
Was that a substantive answer? Because all I see is a mis-characterization of my answer followed by a paragraph full of over-emotional verbal vomit rooted in an ad-hominem attack. Nice work. You seem to be well suited to the argument.
Hello Ken Starr! He made a career of 'wandering outside his lane" and the Republicans were FULL on board. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Secondly - all Mueller did was refer it. It's up to the STATE PA (Trump appointees) and Rosenstein (Trump appointee) to determine if it moves forward.
So let's see - Comey, Republican. Mueller, Republican. Rosenstein, Republican. State PA - Republican.
Don't confuse the Southern District of NY DoJ office w/a state attorney general---
Trump has several plays left, but getting closer to checkmate in this 3-D chess game.
Reportedly, Trump is Cohen's only client. So the documents that were just seized are bound to be worrisome.
One of the reporters who knows Cohen and tried to talk to him yesterday said that Cohen does have other clients--she didn't name them--
His RNC press release on being announced assistant national finance chair said he has been on board of several charities like Erik Trump's charity--
So maybe those are his other clients--but till in the Trump bloodline
I can't think of a worse move in the most controversial investigation of our lifetimes then for a special investigator to wander outside of his lane in order to bring down POTUS.
There is no defending against the witch hunt accusation now. Mueller exists only as an unprecedented institutionalized general threat to legitimately elected power, from the enemies of POTUS. Mueller can bring charges, but there will be little practical political defense against anything substantive that could be brought against Trump that results from this raid.
It looks justifiably aggressive to those who would see POTUS brought down under any circumstances. The reality is that its desperately aggressive to do something that looks so bad in that it further makes this look like a desperate and buthurt partisan witch hunt over an election loss.
After such a unvarnished coup, do the Dems really think that they can have their free and fair elections? The conservatie base won't be so agreeable after this abuse of the system. The Dems have us steeped in banana republic style anti-democratic political strong arming, and are marching us toward a total breakdown of the system.
But bring it. This was likely inevitable. I'm actually happy that the Dems will shoulder the blame for the initial act. Charge away, and lets move your myopic short term political plans into gear as fast as possible. No need to drag this out. I hope that you are prepared.
“Most controversial?”
Years of Watergate, Whitewater, birtherism, Benghazi... and this is “most controversial?”
Sorry to break it to you but history did not start in this country in January 2017.
I don't think it relates to "Rusher." That's why Mueller didn't do this, but a NY district did. (It was Trump's appointee who got and executed the search warrant, after Mueller referred into on Cohen to him, in accordance with normal investigation practice. Mueller didn't act on it, because this isn't within the Mueller mandate.)
I think it's related to the $130k "donation" and other money things.
This had to be approved by a lot of people....to search and seize a President's lawyer (any lawyer, actually). HIgh levels at DOJ had to have approved it. Maybe that's why Trump was railing against Sessions yesterday. He thinks Sessions knew about it, I guess.
In a normal circumstance, maybe. But nothing about this has been normal from beginning to end, and there is material evidence of strong anti-Trump bias throughout the FBI, the National Security Apparatus, his own party, and most everywhere else of significance to this matter. The FISA warrant did not meet such strict standards. The investigation itself, which smacks of an institutionalized coup attempt based on no charges and information purchased from the Russians, is absolutely unprecendented.
In short, you can self-soothe with rationalizations based in "meeting a high bar" but nothing so far has been held to such a bar that should have been. Good luck with the long term fallout.
The idea that Mueller, the FBI, higher-ups in the DoJ, several US Attorneys for the SDNY, and a Federal Magistrate are all ignoring the law and internal procedure to conspire against Michael Cohen is asinine. Try getting your facts from the source rather than parroting Hannity or Brietbart. There are two possibilities:
(1) There is a far-reaching Deep-State conspiracy that involves thousands if not tens of thousands of people including sleeper agents that Trump unwittingly appointed, Judges selected and confirmed by Republicans decades ago, members of the both Houses of Congress, the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the former head of the FBI who is generally revered by both parties, career Assistant US Attorneys, the Director of National Intelligence, the CIA, the NSA, all of the mainstream media (except Fox News), liberal elites, conservative elites, and probably George Soros. The sole purpose of this conspiracy is to undermine Donald Trump.
(2) There is credible evidence that Michael Cohen committed a crime.
None of us have seen the evidence/ documents used to obtain the search warrants.
None of us know anything factual about the findings of the investigation.
That Trump says.... is meaningless, under the circumstances.
My crystal ball says the investigation will eventually conclude with insufficient evidence to charge Trump with any crime. The investigation will however take down many who were worked for Trump.
All bets are off if Trump fires anyone connected with the investigation.
PS - Why is this thread (the President's personal attorney raided by the FBI!) not a sticky, but a whiny attack on a kid who was in a school when a gunman mowed down a bunch of his classmates is?
PPS - Oh, wait. Never mind. Makes perfect sense.
I've wondered the same thing.
This thread: 600+ responses in 18 hours. Potential for far-reaching criminal/political actions and responses that could be discussed for decades.
That thread: 9 responses in past 18 hours (including posts questioning sticky status). No real implication or importance for the future other than the status of a teen's college acceptance or of a tv entertainment show. Yawn.
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