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Old 04-14-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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If someone demanded you release your tax returns online for the whole world can see it would you consider it unreasonable?

But no one would have a problem with you releasing it voluntarily. I believe 99.9% of the world population could care less one way or the other. And only impeach Trump nut cases want it anyway which account for the other .01%.
Remember Trump was elected president without releasing his tax return in 2016.

It is true past presidents since Nixon had released their federal tax returns but they all did it voluntarily. Note the key word above is voluntarily.

It seem since the Trump/Russian collusion has petered out for democrats and they have moved on to another reason to impeach Trump, after that has run its course it will be something else....look for more egg on the face talking heads in the days ahead. Defending Smollett and Ilhan Omar come to mind.
If Trump is as wealthy and successful as he CLAIMS to be .... wouldn't it benefit him to release his tax returns? Other presidents have done it VOLUNTARILY not because they had to, but because it was the RIGHT thing to do -- in the spirit of full disclosure. The American people deserve to know whether their president has any conflicts in his personal business dealings, investments, etc. With Trump's sketchy financial history (multiple bankruptcies) and poor credit rating (US banks quit loaning him money years ago) the only conclusion we can reach is that he's hiding something.

And once again it needs to be said -- if this were Obama or Hillary refusing to release tax returns you'd be screaming for their heads. And you know it.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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That silly little thing Trump would like to eliminate or dictate: The Law

For us simple folk could you state that law?
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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If there was a problem with Trumps past federal tax returns over the past 10 years I am sure the IRS would have found out by now.


Only if an alleged crime has been committed can a tax return be released to authorities.

No crime here... so no reason for Trump release his tax return if he doesn't want to. The democrats are doing nothing but playing partisan politics.
You keep ignoring that there is a federal law.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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Because it is the law that congress can demand tax returns from the IRS. Even a tyrant such as Donald J Trump is not above the law. If he had followed the tradition of all major presidential candidates over the last 50 years, this would not even be an issue. Trump however once again thinks he is above others and could care less about transparency.
The Dems would just try and find another “issueâ€. Good luck getting his returns!
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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That silly little thing Trump would like to eliminate or dictate: The Law
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You keep ignoring that there is a federal law.
The law says: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

The radical left hates the Constitution but even this nonsense is extreme for you guys. No written law supercedes the Constitution without a formal amendment. The law, because of how it is being used here, is a clear violation of the Constitution so it is in effect unconstitutional. Good luck defending these actions in court; they can't which is why they are trying again after being told to pound sand.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Only if an alleged crime has been committed can a tax return be released to authorities.

No crime here... so no reason for Trump release his tax return if he doesn't want to. The democrats are doing nothing but playing partisan politics.



Federal tax law specifically states if the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee makes a written request for an individual’s tax returns the Treasury secretary “shall furnish†those returns.


Makes no mention of "Only if an alleged crime has been committed".
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The law says: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

The radical left hates the Constitution but even this nonsense is extreme for you guys. No written law supercedes the Constitution without a formal amendment. The law, because of how it is being used here, is a clear violation of the Constitution so it is in effect unconstitutional. Good luck defending these actions in court; they can't which is why they are trying again after being told to pound sand.


The real nonsense hewar is the utter BS that the radical left hates the Constitution. Release of tax returns at the request of Congress is specifically allowed by law, what makes that unreasonable?


HINT: That you may disagree with the law carries NO legal weight.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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If Trump is as wealthy and successful as he CLAIMS to be .... wouldn't it benefit him to release his tax returns? Other presidents have done it VOLUNTARILY not because they had to, but because it was the RIGHT thing to do -- in the spirit of full disclosure. The American people deserve to know whether their president has any conflicts in his personal business dealings, investments, etc. With Trump's sketchy financial history (multiple bankruptcies) and poor credit rating (US banks quit loaning him money years ago) the only conclusion we can reach is that he's hiding something.

And once again it needs to be said -- if this were Obama or Hillary refusing to release tax returns you'd be screaming for their heads. And you know it.
Actually I could have cared less about Obama or Hillary tax returns...well maybe a little about Hillary's Clinton foundation and Bill's Russian speaking fee and where all that money went.

You do know there is different between a personal federal tax return and a corporate federal tax return?
The fact is Trump federal tax return liability over just the past two years would zero as he donates his presidential salary to charity and Trump has nothing to do with the Trump corporation. His son runs the company in his absent.
Is it the right thing to do..maybe but it is not required by law. And the people according to the 2016 election didn't seem to care if he release it or not.
As far hiding something did the many Obama officials who took the 5th before congress have something to hide? Of course they did.....See how that works?
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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The law says: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

The radical left hates the Constitution but even this nonsense is extreme for you guys. No written law supercedes the Constitution without a formal amendment. The law, because of how it is being used here, is a clear violation of the Constitution so it is in effect unconstitutional. Good luck defending these actions in court; they can't which is why they are trying again after being told to pound sand.
So you think that every law requires an amendment? The Constitution specifically give congress the right to make laws.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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The real nonsense hewar is the utter BS that the radical left hates the Constitution. Release of tax returns at the request of Congress is specifically allowed by law, what makes that unreasonable?


HINT: That you may disagree with the law carries NO legal weight.
The Constitution overrides any and all laws written except amendments to it. Therefore, a law that says Congress can request documents that are protected by the 4th amendment is an unconstitutional law. An unconstitutional law is no law at all.
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