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Old 04-14-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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None, of course.
Under existing law, dating from the aftermath of the Teapot Dome Scandal in the 1920s, the Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee has had the legal authority to request and receive the tax records of any American citizen. It has never been tested in court, but the existing law gives the Committee wide discretion.
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Old 04-14-2019, 03:58 PM
 
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The Constitution overrides any and all laws written except amendments to it. Therefore, a law that says Congress can request documents that are protected by the 4th amendment is an unconstitutional law. An unconstitutional law is no law at all.
That “unconstitutional” law was enacted about 95 years ago.

My guess is that you would like to throw out anything passed after the Civil War or maybe even back to the Articles of Confederation.

The internet in general and C-D forums in particular are infested with legal experts who don’t know a damned thing about the law. I hope that they’re better plumbers than they are lawyers or they’ll be hip deep in crap.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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That “unconstitutional” law was enacted about 95 years ago.

My guess is that you would like to throw out anything passed after the Civil War or maybe even back to the Articles of Confederation.

The internet in general and C-D forums in particular are infested with legal experts who don’t know a damned thing about the law. I hope that they’re better plumbers than they are lawyers or they’ll be hip deep in crap.
Who cares how long ago it was passed; abortion was outlawed in the 1800s but thanks to the Constitution and the right to privacy, the same exact 4th amendment, those laws we're struck down.

Your assumptions of what I would like couldn't be further from the truth. Radical leftists like you and the quote below showing your true colors, tolerance my ass.

You wonder why Trump is president? You guys have run us moderate Democrats off. You will hand Trump another term because we refuse to show up; we will not support the hatred you radicals spew.

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Trying to keep things simple, for the simple minded like you.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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You keep ignoring that there is a federal law.
Of course there is a federal law and here it is:

You are probably aware that the law protects your tax return information from disclosure to other parties by the Internal Revenue Service. IRC Section 6103 generally prohibits the release of tax information by an IRS employee. However, there are important exceptions that you should be aware of.

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IRC 6103(d) provides that return information may be shared with state agencies responsible for tax administration. The state agency must request this information in writing, and the request must be signed by an official designated to request tax information.
IRC 6103(i)(1) provides that, pursuant to court order, return information may be shared with law enforcement agencies for investigation and prosecution of non-tax criminal laws.
Since Trump is not under any federal investigation the IRS is not required to release his tax return to Congress.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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There are a bunch of bills about elections that have been introduced since 2017.

And now Illinois has been added to this list, so it is 19 states. Note that he won in Arizona, Iowa, Kansas, and Tennessee, so while it is mostly blue states, there are a few red ones that are interested as well.

Voter Registration is an issue in in many states as well.

In all cases federal law supersedes state laws..so your post and their action is moot.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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No dumber than yours, Requiring every law to pass a constitutional challenge or is it only the laws you don't like?

yeah, right...
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Not at all, if I were running for president

Voluntaryly or under threat?
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Houston
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That “unconstitutional” law was enacted about 95 years ago.

My guess is that you would like to throw out anything passed after the Civil War or maybe even back to the Articles of Confederation.

The internet in general and C-D forums in particular are infested with legal experts who don’t know a damned thing about the law. I hope that they’re better plumbers than they are lawyers or they’ll be hip deep in crap.
It took over half a century to overturn Plessy v Ferguson. Jim Crow lasted from at least the end of Reconstruction till the latter half of the last century. You do understand the zones of privacy arguments in Roe v Wade correct? That argument evolved quite a bit between the twenties and seventies.

As you brought up the law has never been tested in court.
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Old 04-14-2019, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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So, there's something in Trump's taxes that would cause him to be unseated? Wonder what that could be.
Precisely!! If there were anything in Donald J Trump's tax history that could lead to him being impeached, why in the name of all that is hold didn't the IRS arrest and imprison the man ages ago??

Therein lies the trap to all of this. At some point, it became traditional to release your tax returns when you became the nominee for your party. Like any such tradition, it's all pretty trivial to be honest. If the candidate did defraud or scam the IRS in any way, the IRS is oblivious. They already have all of those tax records. If anything scandalous existed in any of them, the IRS would have come for him ages ago. And they had every reason to toss Trump's tax records under the microscope, as they stood to lose millions in tax revenue if they had missed something.

If he released all of his records, it would probably be a lot like Rachel Maddow's big reveal of that one that got leaked somehow. It would show that he pays a lot of taxes. Millions of dollars every year. It's just more sound and noise signifying nothing.

Can the Dems please give me an actual reason to consider voting for them?? Trump Russia doesn't tell me what you stand for. Trump's tax returns doesn't either. Does the Democratic Party stand for anything other than Orange Man Bad??


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Old 04-14-2019, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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I see this is going over your head. The issue isn't income taxes per se, but whether the Constitution enables Congress or any other government body to compel disclosure in this manner. It would be no different if Congress tried to compel production of any other document. That's the point. There is a 4th Amendment that lays out restrictions on the government's police powers.

Did Eric Holder produce documents about F&F by a congressional committee? Didn't Holder ignore the Congressional request and didn't he get sited for contempt of Congress. Why the double standard?
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