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Old 04-14-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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The Constitution overrides any and all laws written except amendments to it. Therefore, a law that says Congress can request documents that are protected by the 4th amendment is an unconstitutional law. An unconstitutional law is no law at all.
So every time a speed limit is changed, an amendment would be needed. Know how silly that sounds.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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So you think that every law requires an amendment? The Constitution specifically give congress the right to make laws.

And the courts have an obligation to make sure those laws are constitutional.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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So every time a speed limit is changed, an amendment would be needed. Know how silly that sounds.

Do you know how silly your post sounds?
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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The law says: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

The radical left hates the Constitution but even this nonsense is extreme for you guys. No written law supercedes the Constitution without a formal amendment. The law, because of how it is being used here, is a clear violation of the Constitution so it is in effect unconstitutional. Good luck defending these actions in court; they can't which is why they are trying again after being told to pound sand.
The president of the United States is the most powerful and well known public figure in the world and therefore has no "privacy rights" when it comes to maters of public scrutiny. The same concept applies to libel and slander. Most people who enter politics do so with the understanding that it opens them up to criticism. Trump, being the narcissistic that he is, is completely ignorant of the concept.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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Do you know how silly your post sounds?
No dumber than yours, Requiring every law to pass a constitutional challenge or is it only the laws you don't like?
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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What justification is there to demand Trump's returns?
Congress Constitutionally has the oversight responsibility -- so there's that. Trump has shown several incidences where he has been beholden to Saudi and Russian governments against the norm of our nation - so Congress needs to evaluate if Trump is indebted to those countries. Routine business. If he has nothing to hide, like he says, then what's the problem?
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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So you think that every law requires an amendment? The Constitution specifically give congress the right to make laws.
Only the laws that are in direct violation of the Constitution. The Constitution does not allow Congress the power to pass laws that would violate the Constitution, it is expressly forbidden in the individual amendments "shall not be violated", "shall not be infringed", etc.

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18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
They are only given the power to execute the Constitution, they are not given the power to override the Constitution. They are given the power to call for an amendment in article 5; the law you guys cite is not a constitutional amendment.

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Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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So every time a speed limit is changed, an amendment would be needed. Know how silly that sounds.
The Constitution does not say anything about a speed limit. Your argument is one of the dumbest things to have ever been written on this website.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Is it unreasonable if every candidate but Gerald Ford supplied their tax returns since 1976 until Trump?
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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If someone demanded you release your tax returns online for the whole world can see it would you consider it unreasonable? .
Not at all, if I were running for president
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