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Old 05-18-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Columbia SC
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I personally believe it should be the right of the pregnant one to decide. Hoping these life begins at so and so laws being passed will get overturned. Hopefully there will still be states with more friendly abortion laws but economics will drive many women to back alley abortions, especially those without the resources to travel to another state.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:52 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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What's your point? People believe different things and don't agree with each other. News @ 11.

The Constitution AND Bill of Rights with their amendments are the rule of law.
Laws don't work when people stop accepting them.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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Several of the new laws regarding limitations to abortion will reach SC.

I am sure SC associates Kavanaugh and Gorsuch will be ready, along with the other 7.

Going to be the most interesting cases of our lifetimes.

It demonstrates 2016 as the Most Important Election of our lifetime.

So happy at how youthful Kavanaugh & Gorsuch are, as we should have 25-30 years to enjoy their service to our fine nation.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:56 PM
 
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It will be 6-3 to maintain abortion. Roberts and Kavanaugh will vote with precedent.
Sure hope so.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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Several of the new laws regarding limitations to abortion will reach SC.

I am sure SC associates Kavanaugh and Gorsuch will be ready, along with the other 7.

Going to be the most interesting cases of our lifetimes.

It demonstrates 2016 as the Most Important Election of our lifetime.

So happy at how youthful Kavanaugh & Gorsuch are, as we should have 25-30 years to enjoy their service to our fine nation.
I notice your name is Bob. Fitting.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Actually no you're wrong. We only want to be able to run OUR OWN AFFAIRS. Overturning Roe vs Wade will not stop New York and California from allowing abortion in their own states. We simply don't want abortion here.
Fine. Keep on passing these ridiculous, draconian laws, and your state will lose a lot of business as a result. Loss of business = loss of revenue. Loss of revenue = loss of jobs. Loss of jobs, business, and revenue = your state's economy goes down the toilet. I know this for a fact because about 9 years ago, my state passed a strict immigration law that was well intended, but it ended up backfiring. We faced many boycotts and lost a lot of money as a result. But if you're happy with being a backwater, more power to you.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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Fine. Keep on passing these ridiculous, draconian laws, and your state will lose a lot of business as a result. Loss of business = loss of revenue. Loss of revenue = loss of jobs. Loss of jobs, business, and revenue = your state's economy goes down the toilet. .
The states making these heartbeat and related laws seem to be doing just fine, economic growth, long-term.

Meanwhile the Northeast loses population, net, each year, to the Southeast and Middle America.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:26 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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The states making these heartbeat and related laws seem to be doing just fine, economic growth, long-term.

Meanwhile the Northeast loses population, net, each year, to the Southeast and Middle America.
I'm talking mainly about states like Alabama, which already have a reputation of being somewhat backward. Even so, you have to realize three things:
* States which ban or heavily restrict abortion are going against the 1973 Supreme Court decision, which essentially means they're breaking the law. "A state may not prohibit any woman from making the ultimate decision to terminate her pregnancy before viability."
* States which choose to ban or restrict abortion (or anything else for that matter) are just hurting themselves because people will still find ways to obtain them. Wealthy & most middle class women will simply travel to the states where abortion is legal, and the poor ones will use unsafe practices for terminating pregnancies. Either way, they're losing business.
* This nation has more essential things to be concerned about than abortion. Terrorism, crime, jobs, and economy are 4 things which immediately come to mind that are far more important than fretting about whether or not somebody chooses to make a PERSONAL decision. Whether or not you think it's a personal matter is your business, but it doesn't affect your life one way or the other.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:33 PM
 
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* States which choose to ban or restrict abortion (or anything else for that matter) are just hurting themselves because people will still find ways to obtain them. .
elsewhere.

NY Times had good article on these laws today. Missouri has just one abortion clinic left.

Big state. One clinic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/u...gtype=Homepage

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/03/65403...e-requirements
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Actually no you're wrong. We only want to be able to run OUR OWN AFFAIRS. Overturning Roe vs Wade will not stop New York and California from allowing abortion in their own states. We simply don't want abortion here.

Things like abortion and gay marriage should be decided on the state level, just like states should have the right not to implement Obamacare.
Oh BS. Your posting history makes it quite clear that you would support a blanket prohibition of abortion. I'd respect you more if you were honest.

The strategy of the religious right is not a secret. First overturn Roe v Wade, because of that pesky implicit right to privacy/autonomy language. This opens the door to state governments having the power to regulate women's reproductive lives in any way they see fit. (Also men's. You think that men would be exempt from having their reproductive lives regulated?) There are approximately 30 states that have already passed restrictive laws that would be triggered should Roe v Wade be overturned. That's the first step. The second step is an embryonic/fetal personhood amendment. Do you seriously expect anyone here to believe that you would vociferously oppose embryonic/fetal personhood?

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