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Old 05-18-2019, 09:05 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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It would be a huge hit to Women's health, and the ultimate end of the Republican Party's support from most women. Abortions aren't funded by federal dollars, but the treatment of perforated uterus, infections, and multiple other injuries certainly will be covered by public health dollars for a number of people.
This almost guarantees that the next president will be a woman or at least a normal, sympathetic man.

Anyway, volunteers in several states and Canada are going to offer assistance on social media. Women need to do all they can to protect their rights.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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So why is it so important to these Louisiana, West Virginia, and Georgia religious conservatives that SCOTUS make abortion illegal in California and New York???? Because I know and you know that is the ultimate goal.
Same way California and New York try to force their wacko beliefs on the rest of the country. That’s politics.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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Same way California and New York try to force their wacko beliefs on the rest of the country. That’s politics.
Different states, different beliefs. I still don't see why one should control the other. If the people of Alabama want a strict law, so be it. If California wants a liberal law, so be it. Why are we telling each other what to do. Majority rule, we can always move. I think Alabama's law is way too harsh, but it's their call.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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In some states, probably.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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Because federal laws do exist and by law (46 years in existence) an individual state cannot impose their beliefs on individuals nor legislate those beliefs. An individual has the right to their beliefs and decisions affecting their bodies, in conjunction with their doctors.

Red states want to 'own' women and their bodies and control what a woman can/can't do. That goes against constitutional rights.

But do feel free to move to Pakistan where they will be only too happy to control everything you do and punish and your family for any perceived infraction.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Different states, different beliefs. I still don't see why one should control the other. If the people of Alabama want a strict law, so be it. If California wants a liberal law, so be it. Why are we telling each other what to do. Majority rule, we can always move. I think Alabama's law is way too harsh, but it's their call.
Why should states have the right to tell a person what medical procedures they can have, or what legal medications they can take?

The majority does not get to vote on rights, like the right to privacy, or liberty without due process. If I do not have liberty of making basic decisions about my body for myself what liberty do I have? If the state can control a womans medical decisions, what's to stop them from requiring vasectomies, or forced organ donation to save a life?
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:48 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Why should states have the right to tell a person what medical procedures they can have, or what legal medications they can take?

The majority does not get to vote on rights, like the right to privacy, or liberty without due process. If I do not have liberty of making basic decisions about my body for myself what liberty do I have? If the state can control a womans medical decisions, what's to stop them from requiring vasectomies, or forced organ donation to save a life?
Progressive eugenicists got forced sterilization laws passed in the 20th century, in fact.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Progressive eugenicists got forced sterilization laws passed in the 20th century, in fact.
And that was outlawed since it is not legal to force someone against their will to have or not have a medical procedure. By changing the right to privacy and removing the right of women to make their own medical decisions, what's to stop forcing others to have medical procedures against their will?

BTW the first eugenics sterilization law was passed in Indiana, A bastion of progressiveness.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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I think returning the decision to the states on abortion would really be the best outcome long term. This a deeply divisive issue and it's not cut and dry who opposes it or supports it. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/...ic-tables.aspx

This issue, along with gun control, could quite literally tear this country apart if there isn't some sort of compromise between the two extremes. Returning it a state decision could be the right compromise. Alabama's law has about the same purpose as the laws passed by states like NY protecting abortion. It's about legislative warfare against the other side. It's a dangerous game for this country, it's essentially the same as what happened in response to slavery in the 1850's. Abortion is a similar argument over morality. Biologically, the unborn are human. Personhood is a legal concept related to rights and science will never settle questions of morality or ethics or law. At what point a human is a person is the debate. In the 1850's the question was are people of all races persons with rights. That question brought this country to civil war and this present one could as well.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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And that was outlawed since it is not legal to force someone against their will to have or not have a medical procedure. By changing the right to privacy and removing the right of women to make their own medical decisions, what's to stop forcing others to have medical procedures against their will?
The SCOTUS has never overturned the Buck v Bell decision which says it's constitutional to forcibly sterilize someone.
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