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Old 03-14-2020, 07:21 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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So panic was created with Trump's travel restrictions, resulting in hoards of people at the airports in the USA at the same time...sharing the love. ChicagoO'Hare -- 3 hours for screening.......minimum. One guy on twitter claimed a three hour line and not at baggage claim yet.


Thousands of people packed in like sardines --- wow --- that was well planned.
Many countries have put in travel bans besides the US.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...vilian-workers
The U.S. and countries around the world continued to adapt to the spreading coronavirus pandemic by imposing new restrictions Saturday, as the virus upended travel plans, pushed back elections and forced major companies to adapt.


This article lists all the countries and their travel bans
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/c...ans/index.html

 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:23 PM
 
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Here's the John Hopkins link. He said 25 to 50, I just went with 50. 25 would make a big difference.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...coronavirus-in
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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So panic was created with Trump's travel restrictions, resulting in hoards of people at the airports in the USA at the same time...sharing the love. ChicagoO'Hare -- 3 hours for screening.......minimum. One guy on twitter claimed a three hour line and not at baggage claim yet.


Thousands of people packed in like sardines --- wow --- that was well planned.https://twitter.com/BrookeGMcDonald/...86272137502720
This photo is a perfect example of Americans passing the virus and why the curve in America is about to zoom way way up.

I would hazzard to guess the Ro figure for passing the virus within the US must be closer to 5. Meaning for every 1 person who gets the virus they are passing it onto 5 more people.

It is a brutal fact..large interactions like this equals more transmissions.

The only way to lower the Ro figure is to impose restrictions upon Americans that are unpopular.
This would require a strong leader who was not afraid about the economic or political heat for accepting scientific facts.


If I was looking at airports in SE Asia that looked anything like O'Hare right now, it would be a no brainer. I would not fly. However, the fact is airports here in SE Asia are largely empty. My flight to Singapore leaves in 6 hours.

Currently, I am leaning on not flying.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:23 PM
 
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Death rate means the percentage of those who got the flu or Covid-19 and then die. For example, the deatth rate of the flu is .1%. For CV, it is said to be as high as 3.4% depending on who you listen to
If you are under 70, the mortality rate is much lower. Also any respiratory or cardiovascular conditions significantly increase your risk of death.

Have heard numbers that as much at 50% of human population could eventually get it. I have never heard that once you've had it - if you have immunity from the next round?
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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They don't know what the mortality rate of coronavirus is because they don't have enough testing kits. Even if they had more, they would only be testing people with symptoms, and probably only severe cases. It costs thousands of dollars to have this test done, last I heard.

From what I have read, 80% of cases for young, healthy people are mild or asymptomatic. These people aren't going to shell out big bucks to find out if their cold is really coronavirus. They are going to blow their nose, and hopefully wash their hands a lot and stay away from the public if they can, if we are lucky. But the point is, these people are not being counted when trying to determine the mortality rate of this very new disease. It's what we don't know about it that is really freaking people out, and the media is definitely not helping the situation by pushing more fear.
You heard wrong.

No way public and private insurers are paying $ thousands for a Corona test.

Where the test is administered is also a factor of cost which is one of many reasons why “ drive- thru” testing is the most efficient way to test the masses, the way they have been doing in South Korea. Who administers the test ( swabbing) is also a factor of cost. One does not need any particular medical skill to take a swab. It’s a simple process.

On New Year”# Day, none of us could have imagined:

Entire countries, or states or cities on lockdown with only grocers and pharmacies open, and

Countries closing all borders, and

Hundreds of school districts closing for weeks, and

Cruise ships being denied entry to scheduled ports, let alone being grateful Cambodia allowed your ship to dock but no disembarkation, and

Disney Land/ World closing, and

Broadway going dark, and

Nearly three years of market gains being wiped out, and

Millions of people loosing their minds and hoarding toilet paper..

And like everything, this too shall pass and potentially re-emerge in the autumn.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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A friend just sent this to me. For all of you who think what is happening in Italy can't happen here, please take a look.
We are number 80 on the list with 3.3 hospital beds per 1000 population. Italy is number 57 with 4.4 hospital beds per 1000.

Health > Hospital beds > Per 1,000 people: Countries Compared
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If you are under 70, the mortality rate is much lower. Also any respiratory or cardiovascular conditions significantly increase your risk of death.

Have heard numbers that as much at 50% of human population could eventually get it. I have never heard that once you've had it - if you have immunity from the next round?
It is unknown if/ how immunity will occur. Viruses constantly mutate.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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This photo is a perfect example of Americans passing the virus and why the curve in America is about to zoom way way up.

I would hazzard to guess the Ro figure for passing the virus within the US must be closer to 5. Meaning for every 1 person who gets the virus they are passing it onto 5 more people.

It is a brutal fact..large interactions like this equals more transmissions.

The only way to lower the Ro figure is to impose restrictions upon Americans that are unpopular.
This would require a strong leader who was not afraid about the economic or political heat for accepting scientific facts.


If I was looking at airports in SE Asia that looked anything like O'Hare right now, it would be a no brainer. I would not fly. However, the fact is airports here in SE Asia are largely empty. My flight to Singapore leaves in 6 hours.

Currently, I am leaning on not flying.
I have been following your dilemma. What happens if you stay put?
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Here's the John Hopkins link. He said 25 to 50, I just went with 50. 25 would make a big difference.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...coronavirus-in
The rate would be twice as high but that rate is still very low, in the range of 0.1% which is close to that of flu.

I think the epidemiologists need to come up with a reliable figure as it will quell a lot of the panic if the actual death rate is is closer to 0.1%.

Too many conjectures floating around. No wonder people are freaking out.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 07:40 PM
 
Location: 2 blocks from bay in L.I, NY
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Word of the Day: "rate"
I have no idea what your point is or what you're trying to communicate by your response. I'm not being facetious. If you would, please expound on what you mean.
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