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I'm disingenuous? Nothing I've said was dishonest. I said you have a right to have a Robert E Lee statue on your property. The Constitution guarantees it. It does not guarantee that other people won't react violently to it. Now, said persons have committed a crime and you can defend your property. Just the same, this is what I have to say. Robert E. Lee isn't banned. However, many people hate Robert E. Lee.
Point is that you can't put a Robert E Lee statue on your property these days or a Confederate flag. Can't be done. All it's going to do is upset people.
They are monuments to and reminders of white supremacy.
All the more reason they shouldn't be given any place of honor in the public space. Put them in a museum to remind the world of how screwed up the South was up to the 1960s. Educate people. However, they don't deserve a place of honor.
And do you hope one day a jewish dad can sit with his kids at the base of a hitler statue telling them the same thing?
The difference is the Germans are embarrassed of their history during the NAZI regime. The southern states are not. It's not like they have to be erected in Times Square NY.
According to the secession documents of (at least) one of the seceding states, the plantation owning elites were angry that slavery might not be allowed in the new western territories. They weren’t even content to keep slavery where it already existed. They wanted to expand it.
In Lincoln’s 1861 inaugural address, he said he had no intention of trying to abolish slavery where it already existed. Lincoln was more of a “free soil” person than an abolitionist. The mere limiting of the spread of slavery was unacceptable to the plantation-owning elites, apparently.
I don’t know why anyone would want to identify with the Confederate cause. It is obviously horrible.
I am descended mainly from Germans. I can recognize the positive contributions Germany has made to the world, while also acknowledging that the Nazi regime was horrible. That period of German history is utterly shameful. There are no statues in modern Germany glorifying Hitler, nor should there be.
Lee did not want any of it, not like this, regarding statues.
At that, everyone should thank Lee they he had such respect, that the CSA actually listened to him and ceased operations. It could have easily been one of those decades long, if not still going on, insurgency and resemble those far off places we read about engaged in what seems constant warfare, Turkey-Kurds for example.
Agreed. There is no reason to pay tribute to traitors and terrorists.
The only reason I can see for anyone wanting to pay tribute to Confederates is this: They see Blacks as inferiors and they wanted to see slavery last forever.
The only reason I can see for anyone wanting to pay tribute to Confederates is this: They see Blacks as inferiors and they wanted to see slavery last forever.
Let us know when Kenya sends its first rocket to the moon or even build its first automobile.
These statues are, and always have been, about celebrating the southern way of life, and those who fought to preserve it, and inherent in that was slavery. Whether anyone admits it or not, they are celebrating slavery with these statues, and I say that with respect for the fighting spirit, cunning, and bravery of those Confederate generals. They were masterful against an opponent with three times the men and material.
But they lost, and their cause was unjust. Statues outside of a courthouse where people of all races visit, oftentimes disproportionately black? C'mon man. It's 2020.
The southern way of life, up to that point, was about slavery. The southern way of life could not exist without it. Slavery greased the wheels of the economy. Slavery was also a matter of social order for the South. People who benefited were not about to give it up.
When it comes to the southern way of life, there is something I see: Very rarely does anyone ask Black people what the southern way of life means to them. Hardly anyone asks, in spite of the fact that a majority of the Black population lives in the South.
The Confederacy might have had some great generals. However, it's no secret that their cause was a very unjust one. It's not even a dirty little secret. Some people just don't want to do better.
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