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I posted the ref from the CDC on the other thread: the death rate from CoViD in the 10-19 y/o age group is 1 in 100,000--that's 10x higher than the death rate from auto accidents. ..The rate in 5-10 y/o group is 3 in one million infections.
The death rate in the younger adult population 19-55 is 1 in 10,000---about the same risk as in driving. Are all those Liberal teachers petrified of returning to the classroom staying out of their cars while they're not at work now?
All those Super-Spreaders are heroes providing the herd immunity that will save us old-timers.
Herd immunity is believed to not work since antibodies have been slow to decrease in time with COVID. Some people have even contacted the virus twice. Care to tell me that herd immunity will work for COVID-19 again...
One size does not fit all. Would you send your kid back to school when New York was at its peak of outbreak and hospitalizations? Obviously not.
Here in some parts of Illinois parents have the option of remote learning or a combination of remote learning and two days in classroom. Our positivity rate hovers around 2.5 - 3. CDC guidelines say a positivity rate of 5 or under is what's needed to open up the economy. Our restaurants have some dine in and are still mostly dine outside.
Chicago is a different story. It's in the hot zone and many places including schools need to remain closed.
Our governor believes in slow and steady, and it's paying off. There are different zones with different phases of opening up.
This one size must fit all rhetoric is both idiotic and reckless. One only has to look at failed leadership in those states that opened up too soon to see what will happen if you don't do this right.
Here's an interesting yet disturbing tid bit from a therapist friend of mine who works in a hospital not in the hot zone, yet, still got hit hard. They discharged their last patient and were Covid free for weeks until this woman who had been hospitalized in March with Covid and discharged weeks later just came back this week Covid positive and sick again. Does this mean she was reinfected? Does this mean Covid just went dormant and surfaced again? We don't know. This bug is a beast and must be handled with care. Sending kids into harms way with infection rates over 5 and as high as 25? Not in my universe. If I had kids they would be doing remote learning.
Did you know that roughly 3% or 1.5 million children are home schooled in the United States every year? Are they all psychologically damaged? Me thinks not. Covid and the complications that go along with it? Far more damaging.
I posted the ref from the CDC on the other thread: the death rate from CoViD in the 10-19 y/o age group is 1 in 100,000--that's 10x higher than the death rate from auto accidents. ..The rate in 5-10 y/o group is 3 in one million infections.
The death rate in the younger adult population 19-55 is 1 in 10,000---about the same risk as in driving. Are all those Liberal teachers petrified of returning to the classroom staying out of their cars while they're not at work now?
All those Super-Spreaders are heroes providing the herd immunity that will save us old-timers.
That Holy Grail is fading fast. Antibodies do not stay in the system. They deplete over time.
The best bet right now is to "starve the beast". Masks and social distance. If the virus has no host it won't survive.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...tibodies-67650
A pair of studies published this week is shedding light on the duration of immunity following COVID-19, showing patients lose their IgG antibodies—the virus-specific, slower-forming antibodies associated with long-term immunity—within weeks or months after recovery.
I have a neighbor of mine who likes to say even if you "own" your house free and clear you really just renting it from the government. Stop paying property taxes for a few years and you will find out it is true.
Of course. The burden should not be so heavily on property owners. I can understand why some younger people are opting out of home ownership. The property taxation in some areas is truly punitive even with mediocre schools and bad roads.
So there is dispute. If 10-19 year olds are spreading it, you can just look at behavior. They are much less careful about following the rules to prevent spread.
There is dispute, but the article also mentions the breadth of that particular study and how strong it was in terms of design. It also does say that behavior is a part of why the 10 to 19 year olds are more likely to spread the disease. That doesn't make it any less risky, though, since I don't see anything stopping those 10 to 19 year olds from being any less gross than before.
One size does not fit all. Would you send your kid back to school when New York was at its peak of outbreak and hospitalizations? Obviously not.
Here in some parts of Illinois parents have the option of remote learning or a combination of remote learning and two days in classroom. Our positivity rate hovers around 2.5 - 3. CDC guidelines say a positivity rate of 5 or under is what's needed to open up the economy. Our restaurants have some dine in and are still mostly dine outside.
Chicago is a different story. It's in the hot zone and many places including schools need to remain closed.
Our governor believes in slow and steady, and it's paying off. There are different zones with different phases of opening up.
This one size must fit all rhetoric is both idiotic and reckless. One only has to look at failed leadership in those states that opened up too soon to see what will happen if you don't do this right.
Here's an interesting yet disturbing tid bit from a therapist friend of mine who works in a hospital not in the hot zone, yet, still got hit hard. They discharged their last patient and were Covid free for weeks until this woman who had been hospitalized in March with Covid and discharged weeks later just came back this week Covid positive and sick again. Does this mean she was reinfected? Does this mean Covid just went dormant and surfaced again? We don't know. This bug is a beast and must be handled with care. Sending kids into harms way with infection rates over 5 and as high as 25? Not in my universe. If I had kids they would be doing remote learning.
Did you know that roughly 3% or 1.5 million children are home schooled in the United States every year? Are they all psychologically damaged? Me thinks not. Covid and the complications that go along with it? Far more damaging.
The problem is states in particular Republican led states are looking to have one-size fits all answers. Arizona's Maricopa County isn't ready to reopen. The main reason new cases are decreasing at the moment is testing capacity, testing supplies and test processing issues. Yet our Governor says it is positive... I wonder how the ASU test yesterday and the Maryville FEMA tests will affect the positivity rates and new cases Monday and Tuesday.
Homeschooling typically is rather defended by conservatives. They prefer choices rather than "forcing" public schooling. Public school is only really "forced" in rural areas where private and charter schools aren't feasible. I am using the word forced/forcing loosely here. But now it politically doesn't help to say homeschool since we cannot indoctrinate students if schools are closed. However, they feel that parents cannot return to work if children are not returning to school. They worry about that but not really about if schools can spread the virus to staff and other student families.
To the story of your friend, there are reports that antibody counts do drop about 2/3 months after infection and stories of a few people reinfected by Covid. Of course, we often only test with symptoms and not test while treating to see if the virus is still there so we don't know if it just hides out and waits for the antibodies to fade away before spreading again.
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Originally Posted by TristramShandy
Conservatives: "Secondary schools are glorified babysitters"
Also conservatives: "Kids need to be back in school before they fall too far behind!"
The other CoronaVirus and re-opening thread or one of several, it is hard to know how many there in Politics and Other Conspiracies. Whatever it is, the glorified babysitter comment came up again as a way to say reopen the schools. No science, just that parents send students to school so they can work during the day. Thinking, THAT will reopen jobs and not demand in general.
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Originally Posted by southernnaturelover
I understand the concern of the virus spreading in schools, but who do they expect to watch these kids while the parents work? Most households do not have a parent that stays home all day. Are they expecting the kids to be pushed off on grandparents, which could possibly be even more risky?
"On December 17, 2014, Rebecca Taylor received a call from the school nurse in her daughter Scarlet’s Tacoma, Washington, school saying that Scarlet had a fever and Rebecca should pick her up. Two days later, and after just four hours of being in the hospital from what should have been a routine flu in an otherwise healthy child, Scarlet was dead.
While this was a rare tragic story, it’s less rare than parallel stories of COVID-19, yet nobody ever thought to shut schools during the flu season.
That is a quote from a CNN article on January 7 about the deadliness of the flu season to children in a year when the seasonal flu killed 174 school-age children. Yet, like most facts that can be gleaned through extensive research online, if it’s not published incessantly in daily headline news and obsessed about by the media-political complex, people don’t know about it. And if they don’t know about it, they are not scared of it.
The reality is that every flu season, many more children die from this common ailment than have from COVID-19. And unlike with COVID-19, where the rare pediatric deaths are among those who have serious conditions, many of the flu deaths occur in perfectly healthy children. According to the CDC, “influenza is dangerous to children,” and during the 2017-2018 flu season, which everyone forgets was considered a pandemic, the federal agency estimates that the actual number of pediatric deaths was closer to 600.
A 2018 CDC study of six flu seasons concluded that half of flu-related deaths occurred in otherwise healthy children, 22% of whom were fully vaccinated. Thus, even with a vaccine, the flu is still much more deadly for children, especially perfectly healthy children...."
The risk is them giving it to their parents whom (even if they are in their 30s and 40s and healthy) Covid is much of a threat than the flu. Losing a parent would be a heck of a lot more traumatic for a kid than losing a year of school.
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I wonder how the ASU test yesterday and the Maryville FEMA tests will affect the positivity rates and new cases Monday and Tuesday.
