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Old 11-13-2020, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Osterholm is a doom fetishist.

I remember listening to him on Rogan in March, saying 2 out of 100 of the people we know could die.

He had me freaked out then, but in hindsight—turns out he might be one of the most extreme public epidemiologists.

Lockdowns don’t work. They were only acceptable in hard hit, blindsided places early on that needed time to catch up and make up for their unpreparedness.
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:24 PM
 
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You can look at the numbers being generated over the last few weeks and can still claim this is irrational.
Right. Death rates are down. It's irrational to keep living in fear of something you can't even see and most people don't even have symptoms.


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This has nothing to with summer, Texas and Florida set records in August. No one is gleeful about the damage being done but this theory that we can just open up is irrational and not based on any science. How do you get an economy back on track if you can't solve the virus. We had 25,000 infections a day back in April when we had 3,000 deaths a day, now we have 150,000 infections a day. How do you continue business as usual with that increased rate.
Solve a virus?

Man shouldn't be arrogant enough to believe he can defeat mother nature. People are going to get sick sometimes. That's life.
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The REAL pandemic is the mass mental breakdown from this OVER HYPED virus!

All this was planned. ALL OF IT!!!
How is it over hyped when the covid unit at my local hospital is FULL from 19 patients? With hospitals full across the country, it's more like the seriousness of the virus in UNDER HYPED!
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/bide...e-economy.html


and what if that doesn't work? Will we then lockdown for another 4-6 weeks? Then another?
yes the nanny state government protecting us from ourselves I think the American people are capable of locking themselves down we don't need government to force us to do something that we don't want to do

If you are afraid of catching the virus then by all means lock yourself in your room at home don't come in contact with another human being shop online work from home. But that's all on you, because we have at this point millions of Americans who have already had this virus and are immune. We also have other Americans who are at an extremely low-risk from this virus, and they don't really give a crap if they catch it or not. These people should be able to go on with their lives and not be forced to lock down and watch the country's economy be destroyed all because Biden wants some kind of power grab
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:31 PM
 
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If it’s unrealistic to just keep just those who are high risk at home then it’s far more unrealistic to keep everyone at home.

Unemployment is **** which is why most people would prefer to keep working and not be told by the government that they must stay home and lose their jobs.

Even among those who are higher risk, many don’t agree with shutdowns and would prefer to go out and about in spite of their risk. That groups should also be allowed to do that.
Right. Only those who are anti-social in the first place are doing okay with all these shutdowns.
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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How is it over hyped when the covid unit at my local hospital is FULL from 19 patients? With hospitals full across the country, it's more like the seriousness of the virus in UNDER HYPED!
the mortality rate for this virus has been dropping dramatically, and people under 40 years old we're already in less Danger then from the seasonal flu, so yes it does seem to be a bit hyped.

And one other thing to keep in mind is that all of these people who are testing positive for the virus, we have to assume that the vast overwhelming majority of them we're wearing a mask at the time they became infected. So these masks do not work. Study after study has proven that the masks do nothing to prevent you from catchting this virus. The only thing masks do stop the saliva and phlegm from flying in the face of nearby people when you sneeze or cough that's about it
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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How is it over hyped when the covid unit at my local hospital is FULL from 19 patients? With hospitals full across the country, it's more like the seriousness of the virus in UNDER HYPED!
What is being overhyped is the notion we can mandate everyone shall wear a mask and defeat this virus. Or the notion we can lockdown the nation and defeat this virus. We already locked down the nation for over a month, we've been wearing masks for months, and look at this virus. The virus itself yeah it is dangerous, for some people, for others not so much. But wearing a mask and locking down the nation it's not going to defeat this virus, all it will do is impoverish the nation, and end up causing more damage than good
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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COVID does not care what country you are in, what state you are in, what your religion is, what your politics are. It is coming to get you. If it has not already, it will infect someone you know. Your family, your co workers, your church membership, a friend and odds are good at least one will die.
I know of at least three people who died because of the COVID restrictions. I knew two of them. They died from lack of medical care. The medical establishments were definitely not overwhelmed. They were just denied medical care until it was too late to save them.
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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the mortality rate for this virus has been dropping dramatically, and people under 40 years old we're already in less Danger then from the seasonal flu, so yes it does seem to be a bit hyped.

And one other thing to keep in mind is that all of these people who are testing positive for the virus, we have to assume that the vast overwhelming majority of them we're wearing a mask at the time they became infected. So these masks do not work. Study after study has proven that the masks do nothing to prevent you from catchting this virus. The only thing masks do stop the saliva and phlegm from flying in the face of nearby people when you sneeze or cough that's about it
Yeah, make mere assumptions. Masks don't work because people are not wearing them around people who they think they can trust. People will pull down their masks to talk to friends, give hugs, etc. Covid is stigmatized like something only gross or dirty people can have, so everyone "trusts" their relatively clean friend or relative to be safe from the virus. But that's not how covid works, though.

One of the most likely ways to get the virus is inside a restaurant, especially when it's crowded. No wonder. During most of the time diners are there, they're sure not going to have their masks on. So don't tell me that masks don't work. Masks are like life jackets. They won't work when you don't put it on.
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Old 11-13-2020, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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What is being overhyped is the notion we can mandate everyone shall wear a mask and defeat this virus. Or the notion we can lockdown the nation and defeat this virus. We already locked down the nation for over a month, we've been wearing masks for months, and look at this virus. The virus itself yeah it is dangerous, for some people, for others not so much. But wearing a mask and locking down the nation it's not going to defeat this virus, all it will do is impoverish the nation, and end up causing more damage than good
So just declare the virus has defeated us and hope there is a hospital bed available when you need it, whether it's over covid or not. For now, I'm glad at my local hospital that there are 3 out of 6 regular ICU beds available as well as 18 out of 49 medical beds available. But the covid unit is FULL.
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