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Plenty of corporations have weighed in on social issues and yes Disney was drawn into this by their employees. We all know what was in the bill, this was a solution looking for a problem.
Actually, it was Iger who started the ball rolling in a tweet calling it immoral. He's a Clinton ally. This awakened the braindead Woke mob at Disney who bullied Chapek into this. Chapek really wanted no part of this. He understands it's a losing battle. But, he has no spine apparently. Did you watch that video of him apologizing to the Woke mob for not taking a stand? Lol, he was 'sodomized' by the LGTBQ+-Z community.
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So you're OK with a multi-billion dollar corporation chiming in on a bill they knew nothing about, solely because the CEO was pressured by his woke staff? And you're also OK knowing Disney was pushing a false narrative about this bill, and basically said they get to tell parents how their kids are raised?
Wow.......
As you missed other postings where I stated that its not the smartest move on the companies part...
Why are you ok with an elected official having this spiteful retribution on a state approved agency that for all purposes appears to have been well run and beneficial to not only the company but the communities that they are located in and paying taxes too?
I'm not commenting on the narrative of the bill but you seem to think that a business who has been in the state since the 60's has no right to voice an opinion. Freedom of Speech works both ways and the Governor like other elected officials we have seen needs to grow a thicker skin...
Ok, I overlooked that. However this will be paid for through an increase on tax on Disney when we get to re-zone their land appropriately.
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They are zoned according to a special district that will cease to exist in 2023. Once it ceases to exist, the county will re-zone Disney.
You have mentioned this several times. Care to explain how the land at WDW is improperly zones? TWDC bought over 27,000 acres. They set aside over 7,000 acres as permanent wetland/conservation space. Is that what you want rezoned?
Of the remaining 19,000+ acres that TWDC owns, only a little over 7,000 acres have been improved upon (built on/developed). All those 7,000+ acres are taxed accordingly. Are you saying you want the approximately 12,000 acres that are open space rezoned into commercial zones so Disney HAS to build on them? That doesn't seem to benefit anyone.
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And no. Businesses get special treatment due to politicians, and this special treatment can be revoked. If we lived in some libertarian ideal, government wouldn’t be giving some businesses breaks and not others.
We don't live in a libertarian ideal. We are much closer to a socialist state than we are a libertarian one.
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Disney got their special district through bribing politicians
You have made this libelous claim several times. Put up or shut up. Where is your proof that Disney bribed anyone?
The politicians in FL were positively giddy when they discovered that the mystery corporation buying up swampland in Central Florida was Disney. They were only too happy to do whatever they could to encourage TWDC to build on the land.
The partnership between Disney and the State of Florida has been good for everyone. The development of Walt Disney World led to other theme park companies, other hotel corporations, other residential developers, restaurants, and on and on to locate in Orlando and create 10's of 1,000's of jobs, billions of dollars in revenue helped make Florida one of the fastest growing states for the last 40 years.
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and also being a desirable guest in Florida at the time (1960s). Disney today has outlived that goodwill.
Disney has now been in FL for 57 years as a landowner and employer. The idiot who tossed out the "guest" line was born and raised in Arizona, moved to FL in 2006 and moved mostly to develop gambling in the State of Florida. Who is the guest and who is doing right for families in FL?
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Please cite the specific paragraph that requires approval of landowners. (Don't say 3y).
The language of the statute is very clear. Sorry you cannot see or understand it. Perhaps you again need to research what Municipal Service Taxing Units and Municipal Service Business Units are, how they come about and what is required to form one.
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You're a fool if you think a county is required to provide services and it is purely at the whim of those receiving the services if they wish to pay for them or not. No MSTU, no services.
Well one of us is certainly a fool if they think counties are NOT required to provide services to the constituents in their jurisdictions. If the Reedy Creek Improvement District is dissolved, by state law in Florida, those obligations are transferred to the jurisdiction in which they exist.
What do you think happens on June 2, 2023 to the power plant, the sewage treatment plant, the potable water services, the fire department and the rest?
You have mentioned this several times. Care to explain how the land at WDW is improperly zones? TWDC bought over 27,000 acres. They set aside over 7,000 acres as permanent wetland/conservation space. Is that what you want rezoned?
They act as their own county government, get to choose the zoning, can levy taxes, issue tax-exempt bonds etc. Not to mention to build anything new they need permits, approval, etc.,
The $578 million tax break deal is for Disney relocating 2000 workers to Florida. These are separate issues and it has nothing to do with Reedy Creek. Since your article is behind a pay wall I was unable to read the entire thing but based on the initial paragraph that they were gracious enough to allow me to read it appears to be completely separate. I’m not sure why we need yet another thread on Disney/Florida. The obsession is real.
the $578MM is over 20 years, and can be used to offset their income taxes in FL. Yes, FL has a corp income tax.
"DeSantis hasn’t asked the legislature to repeal the tax credits because “it’s not a carve-out for a specific corporation.” Any company can apply for the incentives, she said, and “the bigger investments will qualify for the bigger tax credits.”
Florida economic development officials certified the credits in February 2020, according to documents obtained by Bloomberg News under a public records request. In its application for the incentives, Disney cited plans to move as many as 2,000 staffers, making an average of $120,000 a year, to a new corporate campus in the state. The campus will be in Lake Nona, about 20 miles southeast of downtown Orlando.
The company, one of the state’s largest employers because of its theme parks there, is investing $864 million in the relocation, including office construction, supplies and software improvements. Disney considered other states, including California, New York and Connecticut."
The language of the statute is very clear. Sorry you cannot see or understand it. Perhaps you again need to research what Municipal Service Taxing Units and Municipal Service Business Units are, how they come about and what is required to form one.
Well one of us is certainly a fool if they think counties are NOT required to provide services to the constituents in their jurisdictions. If the Reedy Creek Improvement District is dissolved, by state law in Florida, those obligations are transferred to the jurisdiction in which they exist.
What do you think happens on June 2, 2023 to the power plant, the sewage treatment plant, the potable water services, the fire department and the rest?
Are you a lawyer? Plenty of top notch lawyers will be parsing the statutes in the next year. I'll await their interpreetation not yours.
Counties do not have to provide any particular services to any particular residents. Cite one case where a county has been ordered by a court to build a road or utility project. The county could close the roads if they wanted. There's a reason millions of people in the country rely on septic tanks and wells - because the counties they live in do not provide sewage and water.
Maybe because your definition of a liberal is anyone who doesn't agree with Far Rights ideology and worship fearless leader in exile. If the adult approach had stated "we need to re-evaluate this agreement to ensure compliance with current state law" that would be acceptable, not a spiteful Governor saying I'll show them because he doesn't like what they said.
nah, those would be the LWNJ's and the RWNJ's.
the agreements were IN compliance with state law. they just changed the law.
I've readily admitted it seems like spiking the ball and just vindictive.
They got the Parental Rights Bill. Disney lost, especially by calling it "Don't say Gay" after DeSantis signed it.
Nobody is going to stand against parents of K-3 kids and continue whining about that Law.
But now the Dems are all arguing how this is going to cost Floridians millions and billions of dollars, when there's been no breakdown from either side.
That's a nice dream but the counties they are in have already zoned and been collecting the taxes for quite a few decades. You can't rezone land for development that can never be developed because it is not accessible to the public market.
Try reading Florida Statues 125.0101
" Such services shall be funded as agreed upon between the county and the municipality or special district. This section shall not be construed to authorize the county to impose any service charge or special assessment or to levy any tax within the municipality or special district, nor shall this section be construed to authorize the creation of a municipal service taxing unit within such area.."
it's probably relatively simple.
Orange County has some formulas for spending. It could be by resident, it could be by zip, it could be by acreage. Something measurable. Usually, it's by residents, though fire coverage could be by drive time, as an example.
Disney is quite used to an experience that is "better than a government standard". They're either going to a) keep funding it themselves beyond the standard or b) ask for a special tax district, IF the funds collected are spent within that district.
Bloomberg wasn't quite clear, they are in fact getting around $580 million from Florida to relocate employees from California. This is a more concise article that is also carried in the LA Times.
DeSantis is in a weird place attacking and incentivizing the same company, he sounds psychotic.
psychotic is not understanding the ability to stand by a very general tax break for increasing employment, available to any company and that was approved 2 years ago.
One wonders why Disney wouldn't just have already said "We're not going to invest that $800MM in FL any longer." They very well might.
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