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Old 05-29-2009, 08:36 PM
 
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A friend told me the other day about a friend's mother living in Canada. She was diagnosed with cancer and it took her four months to get to see an oncologist! People can die in that short time from cancer.
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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Everyone of us knows of the abuse of Welfare. Generation after generation on the "card". Have another baby to get more money. Sneak over the border and you will be covered. I personally have turned people in and they were never even contacted! This IS one of the main reasons we are in such bad shape economically.

With that said, why doesn't Obama and his goons target Welfare and clean that up. Investigate fraud, start work programs and "escort" those people who can, back to work. Get them off the system and not encourage people to get on the system.

I think no matter which "team" you cheer for, you would have to agree that this would cut our budget and help stop the out of control flow of money to people who could be working.

Focus on this and leave my health care alone. Each of us are already paying $1,000 a year to cover people who don't have insurance and now Obama wants to rip it all apart and turn the health care field upside down to insure even more people.

Fine, but fix welfare BEFORE you start to mess with the working people's insurance who are already paying.
Well the federal government should not give citizenship to those who were born hours after the parents swam across the Rio Grande so the mother could have her child born here in the U.S. It's bad enough that it will cost tax payers millions just to pay their medical expenses. That should stop. Send them back ASAP to Mexico and let their own government take care of them.

The government should stop giving any money to able bodies women who choose to have 5 kids before the age of 25. Why are we rewarding money to those who enjoy lying on their backs and spreading their legs? Enough! Not one penny more.
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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A friend told me the other day about a friend's mother living in Canada. She was diagnosed with cancer and it took her four months to get to see an oncologist! People can die in that short time from cancer.
The mother of a friend of a friend. Very reliable source. This has been discussed over and over again. I can't speak for the above situation, however, it does not seem to be the norm.
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:58 AM
 
Location: USA
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Do you all really think there are people on welfare because they WANT to be? What a hoot.

Those people are on welfare because of high unemployment. Get the unemployment rate down to 1% and welfare will no longer be necessary.
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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Katiana,

Maybe you would change your mind if you came down with a chronic or catastrophic illness and had *stealth* care. Women in England are no longer given treatment for breast cancer because it is too expensive. Cancer is becomming a death sentence once again!

* IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Stealth Care (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=321064867290632 - broken link)


Stealth Care

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:20 PM PT
Spending: The stimulus provides for the creation of a federal health care bureaucracy not unlike Hillarycare. Decisions that should be made by doctors and patients will belong to bureaucrats deciding cost-effectiveness.
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:57 AM
 
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you're the BILLION in corporate welfare is insane

Oh wait, you would rather trump up Reagan's welfare queens instead because that makes you feel better than what really is hurting us.
If you want to talk industrial strength welfare - how about those who are older than 75 collecting social security... With the SS taxes when they were working - they paid in only a fraction of what they are now taking out - they are reaping a huge welfare benefit... why don't we talk about reducing the Social Security of anyone who retired earlier than 1995 - since those generations paid a small amount in and the current generations of workers (who will get less than they paid in) are giving them welfare.

Anyone want to tackle this welfare system??? It absolutely dwarfs what everyone refers to when they talk about welfare to the poor and needy.

I would imagine that a lot of folks who gripe about 'welfare' fit into the Social Security Welfare bucket...
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Do you all really think there are people on welfare because they WANT to be? What a hoot.

Those people are on welfare because of high unemployment. Get the unemployment rate down to 1% and welfare will no longer be necessary.
I know a women that will quit a job knowing she can get more gov help if shes not working.

She just started working again after not working for 8 mths.
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:09 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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A friend told me the other day about a friend's mother living in Canada. She was diagnosed with cancer and it took her four months to get to see an oncologist! People can die in that short time from cancer.
Love these "hearsay" stories. My wife had two lumps appear in her breast. We went to our G.P. and immediately she was tested, x-rayed, biopsied. She was diagnosed within two weeks. This is how a UHC works.This is from first hand experience and not from " a friend told me"
tales. Health is important to every American citizen. The people in America who are kicking and screaming against a UHC have NO experience of a UHC and DO NOT want to lose their "first in line" health care. Yes those are the people who sceam "LEAVE MY HEALTHCARE ALONE". Millions of hard working Americans DO NOT have any healthcare to scream "Leave my healthcare alone.
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:18 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I know a women that will quit a job knowing she can get more gov help if shes not working.

She just started working again after not working for 8 mths.
Plenty of scroungers in America. Always has been. Stop using this pathetic excuse as a reason to stop every American citizen getting great health care. There are millions of scroungers in Ameriica...is this caused by Capitalism that rules America (to its peril) or do you have a excuse for them at the moment. Are you saying that Americans only work because they have NO welfare state to cling onto? Ar you saying that Americans DO NOT really want to work? No Americans are like Brits. We work even with a welfare system but Brits do not mind paying tax for those less fortunate than themselves.
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:23 AM
 
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You probably have employer paid health insurance. Ever ask yourself what will happen to you if your employer wants to restructure your insurance? In other words empower you by making you pay for all of your healthcare out of your own wages?. Ever hear of a healthcare savings acounts?
Been there, provided my own private insurance when the workplace offered a plan that was wasteful spending. Called up an insurance agent, told them I wanted to select and tailor my plan for expense. Had a 3 hour meeting with them going over the coverage removing all the bloated wasteful portions and tailored each specific part of the plan to fit my wife and I's life style.

The result was around a 200 dollar a month plan that covered us for exactly what we were looking for, allowed us to pick our own doctors, use experimental drugs and practices for serious diseases and illness, and we covered the normal low cost things out of pocket.


It is no different than buying any service. Some people will take the "deals" offered without concern to them actually being a "deal" while others spend a little more effort reading the details. The result is people over paying for many types of products and services. This isn't a problem with the system, but a problem with people. Forcing everyone to buy the happy meal because some people refuse to evaluate the worth of that meal is just forcing everyone to be irresponsible. No thank you.
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