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Being stupid, careless, naive or whatever does not excuse the actions of the other. He still bears full responsibility.
I disagree. If there is a sign that says "Do not feed the bears", and you then feed the bears and get attacked by a bear as a result, how is it not partly your fault?
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People need to raise their sons to act responsibly.
A lot of people (usually hard core "self reliance" types in theory and rhetoric, even if not in practice, love to ballyhoo about personal responsibility.
Why not men take personal responsibility for controlling their own urges? Just as much so, why not mainstream society take personal responsibility for indulging their distaste of people who are "irresponsible", "naïve", "gullible", "too trusting", etc. I swear, it's as if our culture decides that those faults are so distasteful that they actually have more respect for smart shoplifters, good bull**** salespeople, con artists, and even rude and disrespectful types of "alpha males" than they do people who don't intend to hurt or degrade others.
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I disagree. If there is a sign that says "Do not feed the bears", and you then feed the bears and get attacked by a bear as a result, how is it not partly your fault?
EVERY guy has a "sign", automatically so there's no need for any guy to actually wear it? Or are you saying we're going to make a law that the "bad" ones have to wear a sign? Cool! - kinda like the Scarlet Letter and it would be a big red "R" for RAPIST?! What's your point exactly?
I disagree. If there is a sign that says "Do not feed the bears", and you then feed the bears and get attacked by a bear as a result, how is it not partly your fault?
Well it was some people's hope that a man is somewhat different than a wild grizzly bear..
I disagree. If there is a sign that says "Do not feed the bears", and you then feed the bears and get attacked by a bear as a result, how is it not partly your fault?
I disagree. If there is a sign that says "Do not feed the bears", and you then feed the bears and get attacked by a bear as a result, how is it not partly your fault?
Ah. So, in your scenario, men are driven by instinct to aggress, and cannot be deterred by normal human capacity to hold back and not behave in a violently aggressive manner?
You were 14? And your MOM encouraged this? I'm sorry she put you in that position. In most states at least today that is statutory rape and a 14 year old can only consent with someone within like 3-4 years of their own age, give or take. So what happened to you is rape by law (today's standards, not sure how long ago this happened to you or what the law was then), no way around that. That was 100% rape and as a kid, not your fault even a little. I'm appalled your mom took two guys home, one for each of you. Jesus. Fourteen.
Yeah, I thought that was sick, too. And her mother never even took notice of what was going on because she was busy balling the other guy. What a piece of work. Today she'd be charged with endangering the welfare of a child.
Yeah, I thought that was sick, too. And her mother never even took notice of what was going on because she was busy balling the other guy. What a piece of work. Today she'd be charged with endangering the welfare of a child.
Yes, and the mother blamed her. Her 14 year old daughter was sexually assaulted and obviously bothered by it and all the mother had to say is "What did you think would happen when you brought him home?"
There are some parents out there who will always make their child feel responsible for everything bad that happens to them. I mean, really, who wants to report a sexual assault if your parents won't even support you. People who have these types of parents can fully understand why some sexual assaults and rapes go unreported.
As to the grizzly bear analogy - the grizzly bear would be hunted down and killed for attacking a human. Maybe we should do the same for a rapist?!
Yes, and the mother blamed her. Her 14 year old daughter was sexually assaulted and obviously bothered by it and all the mother had to say is "What did you think would happen when you brought him home?"
There are some parents out there who will always make their child feel responsible for everything bad that happens to them. I mean, really, who wants to report a sexual assault if your parents won't even support you. People who have these types of parents can fully understand why some sexual assaults and rapes go unreported.
As to the grizzly bear analogy - the grizzly bear would be hunted down and killed for attacking a human. Maybe we should do the same for a rapist?!
That is similar to what my mom said to me about her friends daughter who was raped at 14 by her uncle. My mom said the girl seduced the rapist. What happened is what happened and it can't be changed. What really irritated me is that they made the 14 year old into the aggressor with the word seduced. Had my mom said that this girl was raped by her uncle instead of seduced the uncle I wouldn't have been so enraged at the situation. My mother didn't say anything the day I freaked out about that comment. A few months later she felt the need to explain the situation as her friend had grown up with sexual abuse and didn't understand that the girl wasn't responsible. She also started saying the 14 year old was raped. So it shows people can change their minds about this.
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I'm sorry she put you in that position. In most states at least today that is statutory rape and a 14 year old can only consent with someone within like 3-4 years of their own age, give or take. So what happened to you is rape by law (today's standards, not sure how long ago this happened to you or what the law was then), no way around that. That was 100% rape and as a kid, not your fault even a little. I'm appalled your mom took two guys home, one for each of you. Jesus. Fourteen.
