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Go up to some really hot chicks and ask them "do you have a friend who's not as attractive as you are who seems to get asked out more by men than you do" and see what they say.
You are saying the vast majority of women think they are god's gift, because, in case you didn't know, the vast majority of women are average looking. What you're really saying is that you are an unthinking bigot. Bravo.
good points. serveral things going on.
self esteem
quip pro quo vs caveat emptor
self esteem determined in childhood is permanent
affects how we see ourselves. nothing to do with reality.
quip pro quo ---something for something
caveat emptor - let the buyer beware (something for nothing is ok)
people on the meat market dont play fair
something for nothing is the rule
Great points BP. I just thought that women know more on the scale because women's beauty is very important to them while men's looks arent nearly as important to them. Men arent standing in front of the mirror primping themselves nearly as much as women are.
But you do make some valid points.
But that's my point, the average man in this scenario has never had ANY type of success with the woman society would consider hot. He's always been turned down by them, never approached, and never came close to sleeping with. So it's easier for him to "come to grips with reality" after a certain age, then the average woman who has been approached by men society would consider desirable, and slept with them. That's the difference.
You are saying the vast majority of women think they are god's gift, because, in case you didn't know, the vast majority of women are average looking. What you're really saying is that you are an unthinking bigot. Bravo.
Just being realistic about things. Don't take it personally. Its just my opinion. No need for name calling because we have differing opinions.
Just being realistic about things. Don't take it personally. Its just my opinion. No need for name calling because we have differing opinions.
That's the number one problem with not only this board but the Internet in general. People just can't handle different opinions, but especially here on a relationship forum. All this is people telling their different perspectives and experiences in regards to dating and relationships. This isn't science, there is no right or wrong, just opinions and people can't handle that.
But that's my point, the average man in this scenario has never had ANY type of success with the woman society would consider hot. He's always been turned down by them, never approached, and never came close to sleeping with. So it's easier for him to "come to grips with reality" after a certain age, then the average woman who has been approached by men society would consider desirable, and slept with them. That's the difference.
I get what you're saying, but here's the thing.....men dont get turned down because of their looks as much as women do. If you're a woman who's a 3 on the perverbial 1 to 10 scale, you're not going to get asked out hardly at all. You know where you stand. But, the man who is a 3 in real life can hypothetically land a chick because he's wearing a really nice suit and driving a very nice car...so that guy might thing he's 'average' and not actually ugly.
There are plenty of men who are 5's who have 'game' that can pull hot chicks before the guy who's the 7.5 who has no game at all. So, the guy who's the 5 with game may think he's a 7.5 because he's pulling a few hotties but he's pulling them on game and not on looks.
I think in the end, we both have valid points and it comes down to the idea that there's very little seperating men and women as far as where they think they stand on the looks scale. Looks matter a lot to women so my theory is that by definition, they know more about it and are more in tuned to it. That's all i was saying.
It's not name calling. If you judge millions based on a physical characteristic it's called bigotry.
Im not judging anyone. Im just calling it as i see it. I feel that average looking women get asked out as much or more than extremely hot women just based on the idea that they appear more attainable. Men actually do think to themselves 'this girl is ridiculous hot, no way i can land her' and quite often, wont even try. Men do believe that they can 'get' the girl next door before they can 'get' the supermodel. Im not sure i need to be 'railed on' for having an opinion that's pretty much a mainstream theory.
Im not judging anyone. Im just calling it as i see it. I feel that average looking women get asked out as much or more than extremely hot women just based on the idea that they appear more attainable. Men actually do think to themselves 'this girl is ridiculous hot, no way i can land her' and quite often, wont even try. Men do believe that they can 'get' the girl next door before they can 'get' the supermodel. Im not sure i need to be 'railed on' for having an opinion that's pretty much a mainstream theory.
Again, judging millions based on your personal experience whether it's gender, race, or any physical characteristic is bigotry. If I'm wrong on that; if my understanding of the word is wrong, if I need a vocabulary lesson, feel free to make the case.
Further, if you look qt my previous posts in this thread you will find links to studies that actually show that average to unattractive men are more likely to over estimate their looks and chances with hot women.
You put the "more" in there and it's just not the case. It's also irrelevant prattle. And when considering women comparatively, which is where I think this conversation began IIRC, then you're very wrong.
My point exactly. There was nothing in those studies that disproved anything I said.
So again I'm not wrong, but carry on.
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