Orlando gay massacre - by a Muslim. Christian perspectives are? (proof, history)
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Originally Posted by RonkonkomaNative
I am here to correct you. I am here to make you think. You do not have to like it, but that does not change a thing.
I must admit though, the old, you're not the boss of me is amusing.
Very amusing. ahahahahahahahhha Thank you for that.
That's funny. The first time I heard that was many years ago when my daughter was in her teens. She was corrected about her perception quickly.
We actually talked about that this past weekend and had a good giggle about it, as her son will be a teenager next year. I welcomed her to the coming trials and tribulations.
So another "Christian" who is anti-Bible? The Bible is our foundation. Without it, God and your faith becomes whatever feels right in your mind.
Oh, come on Jeff. Even with the Bible your faith is whatever feels right to you, because you interpretations of scripture are subjective and have no more standing than any one else's.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
"Like The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender." - Proverbs 22:7
Many people are in slavery today because they let themselves get buried in debt.
As if debt is a direct result of sloth and people just do it because they are lazy, unlike you?
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
The Bible repeats several times to owe people nothing, pay your taxes, and give with no expectation of return.
Well I don't owe anyone a dime, I pay my taxes, and I learned long ago not to have expectations of reciprocity. But I suppose that doesn't count because while I act correctly, I don't believe correctly.
One thing I can tell you though is that I'm debt free because I've been very fortunate to get paid a lot of money for a long time to do the work I do, and society has somewhat arbitrarily decided to value my line of work much more than others. I don't think for a second it's because I'm virtuous or godly. My son on the other hand works at Taco Bell for $10.25 an hour and he's going massively in debt for his college degree, because he's a lazy, no-good leech ... no, wait a minute, because he HAS NO CHOICE. He's such a leech, he doesn't even want my money. So think a little differently about people who are poor and/or in debt, okay? This country is filling up with poor people who are behind the eight ball, and it's because of teachings like your cited Bible verse that suggests that the rich "ruling over the poor" and enslaving those they lend to, is the natural and righteous order of things -- when it's actually unjust and exploitive.
Are you loving and accepting of sex offenders? See it all falls into the umbrella of sexual immorality from my perspective. My beliefs are unloving towards sin. Big difference. Your side has twisted and contorted and tried its best to meld the two together, but I still have a heart to love all people as unique creations from God. You can characterize me however you like, but since you don't know me personally, it's not a true characterization. If you base it solely on the faith that I will not embrace homosexuality (it is clearly a sin) then that is a weak basis.
Nobody cares whether or not you ever embrace or accept homosexuality. You are perfectly free to believe as you wish, and you are perfectly free to express your opinion on homosexuality, as well.
The problem is that you and your fundamentalist pals aren't satisfied with that.
You folks always cross the line by thinking you have the right to force everyone else to obey your religious rules through the use of the justice system.
As an atheist, I should be free of your religion; I should not be bound by the dictates of your religion's "sin" in any way whatsoever unless there is a compelling civil and/or secular reason for it -- such as murder and theft just to name two examples.
There is NO compelling civil and/or secular reason why anyone other than Christians should be bound to sexual laws found in such places as Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Why should atheists and agnostics, Hindus or Muslims, Taoists, Buddhists, Pacific Islanders or African tribesmen be forced adhere to ancient Hebrew laws? Not even all Christians should be forced to obey them.
Yet here you are, campaigning as per usual, to rid the country of same-sex marriage because they offend YOUR religious values. YOUR religious values. YOURS. And because of that, EVERYONE must give up their freedom to suit you and your fundamentalism.
If not for that, no one would even care.
But you won't leave it alone.
The stupidity of this post is how you talk of being "loving and accepting" of sex offenders yet if Josh Duggar walked into a bakery to get a cake made, just what kind of outrage would you show against him? Considering the length and breadth you went to defending him when his story first broke, probably none at all ... but you'll spend days upon days and tens of thousands of keystrokes railing against homosexuals, so seriously, Jeff, your argument is weaker than the gravitational force of a neutrino.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
You mean the day I accept homosexuality as not being a sin. Sorry, won't happen.
Again, nobody cares.
You just need to let people sin if that's what they want to do. It's not up to you and your religion to play nanny over the souls of the rest of the human population. Worry about yourself. Using the legal apparatus to deny others the right to make their own choices is wrong ... at least it is in THIS country.
I don't want your religion telling me who I can or can't marry any more than you would want Islam telling you how to pray.
Nobody cares whether or not you ever embrace or accept homosexuality. You are perfectly free to believe as you wish, and you are perfectly free to express your opinion on homosexuality, as well.
The problem is that you and your fundamentalist pals aren't satisfied with that.
You folks always cross the line by thinking you have the right to force everyone else to obey your religious rules through the use of the justice system.
As an atheist, I should be free of your religion; I should not be bound by the dictates of your religion's "sin" in any way whatsoever unless there is a compelling civil and/or secular reason for it -- such as murder and theft just to name two examples.
There is NO compelling civil and/or secular reason why anyone other than Christians should be bound to sexual laws found in such places as Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Why should atheists and agnostics, Hindus or Muslims, Taoists, Buddhists, Pacific Islanders or African tribesmen be forced adhere to ancient Hebrew laws? Not even all Christians should be forced to obey them.
Yet here you are, campaigning as per usual, to rid the country of same-sex marriage because they offend YOUR religious values. YOUR religious values. YOURS. And because of that, EVERYONE must give up their freedom to suit you and your fundamentalism.
If not for that, no one would even care.
But you won't leave it alone.
The stupidity of this post is how you talk of being "loving and accepting" of sex offenders yet if Josh Duggar walked into a bakery to get a cake made, just what kind of outrage would you show against him? Considering the length and breadth you went to defending him when his story first broke, probably none at all ... but you'll spend days upon days and tens of thousands of keystrokes railing against homosexuals, so seriously, Jeff, your argument is weaker than the gravitational force of a neutrino.
Again, nobody cares.
You just need to let people sin if that's what they want to do. It's not up to you and your religion to play nanny over the souls of the rest of the human population. Worry about yourself. Using the legal apparatus to deny others the right to make their own choices is wrong ... at least it is in THIS country.
I don't want your religion telling me who I can or can't marry any more than you would want Islam telling you how to pray.
Unless it's a couple hot young girls getting it on...they don't seem to take much issue with that.
Believe me...most of them would have no problem with you and another girl your age kicking it.
MOF...most of them would dig watching.
So...even their rejection of "the sin" isn't fully legit.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
Unless it's a couple hot young girls getting it on...they don't seem to take much issue with that.
Believe me...most of them would have no problem with you and another girl your age kicking it.
MOF...most of them would dig watching.
So...even their rejection of "the sin" isn't fully legit.
Hence the huge number of strip joints in Georgia that rival the number of churches/mile. It still amazes me that of all places I have been, Georgia truly must have more strip joints per capita than any other State.
Hence the huge number of strip joints in Georgia that rival the number of churches/mile. It still amazes me that of all places I have been, Georgia truly must have more strip joints per capita than any other State.
In other words, you can't or won't supply credible references, nor discuss what the heck you are talking about in the first place. Then why try and make a point?
Were you there in the Pulse and have witnessed everything with your eyes as a proof to whatever the media has reported to be true?
No you were not there, so.....
What's your own "credible reference" before you demand one?
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Originally Posted by GoCardinals
Were you there in the Pulse and have witnessed everything with your eyes as a proof to whatever the media has reported to be true?
No you were not there, so.....
What's your own "credible reference" before you demand one?
Do you know what Occam's Razor is?
You are the one made a claim that is in contrast to all known facts we have. I asked for credible references, and to turn around, when I did not make these unsubstantiated claims, makes you appear to dodge the question and to attempt to deflect.
That is not an honest way in dealing with debate.
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