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Old 10-30-2018, 05:18 AM
 
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Where does it say that or even allude to that?

Besides that, lets go with your theory..if Satan desired worship and was jealous of God, he rebels, convinces 1/3 of the other angels to side with him and they get booted out of heaven as a result...Where is the logic then in God giving satan the ability to influence humans to the degree he has?

Look at this way...if you were married and had kids, and there was this other guy who was jealous of what you had and tried to steal it away and take your spot, so you fight with him and kick him out of your life, but then turn around and ALLOW this guy access and influence to your family??

God gave that being who became satan and devil-- dominion over the Garden of Eden. He was very powerful. I personally think the #2 creation.
Satan raised issues against Gods universal sovereignty in front of all creation. Killing the 3 on the spot only proved he was more powerful. The issues are being allowed to be settled once and for all time. Mortals chose this system of things.
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Old 10-30-2018, 06:01 AM
 
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God gave that being who became satan and devil-- dominion over the Garden of Eden. He was very powerful. I personally think the #2 creation.
Satan raised issues against Gods universal sovereignty in front of all creation. Killing the 3 on the spot only proved he was more powerful. The issues are being allowed to be settled once and for all time. Mortals chose this system of things.
#2 creation?

Maybe satan/devil rebelled because he knew his creator will create and torture its creations.

I’d tell god to buzz off too if I knew it’s future plans was kill kill kill.
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Old 10-30-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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God gave that being who became satan and devil-- dominion over the Garden of Eden. He was very powerful. I personally think the #2 creation.
Satan raised issues against Gods universal sovereignty in front of all creation. Killing the 3 on the spot only proved he was more powerful. The issues are being allowed to be settled once and for all time. Mortals chose this system of things.
What book are you reading?...
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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#2 creation?

Maybe satan/devil rebelled because he knew his creator will create and torture its creations.

I’d tell god to buzz off too if I knew it’s future plans was kill kill kill.
This is actually a belief that some people have...(Satan is really the good guy and God is the evil one), I did some reading on this theory awhile back, its really interesting, they do have some good points
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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God gave that being who became satan and devil-- dominion over the Garden of Eden. He was very powerful. I personally think the #2 creation.
Satan raised issues against Gods universal sovereignty in front of all creation. Killing the 3 on the spot only proved he was more powerful. The issues are being allowed to be settled once and for all time. Mortals chose this system of things.
Wasnt 'the issue' resolved when God kicked satan and the other angels out of heaven?

Besides that, if the issue takes this long to sort out, either God is not as all powerful as we are led to believe, or the bible is completely wrong on many points.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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#2 creation?

Maybe satan/devil rebelled because he knew his creator will create and torture its creations.

I’d tell god to buzz off too if I knew it’s future plans was kill kill kill.


You are in error. God made mortals to know only good, it was mortals who rebelled against God and caused this system. No death would ever have occurred if they did not eat of that tree. They didn't until Eve was lied to. But her and Adams choice caused this system. Gods kingdom will be a cure all.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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This is actually a belief that some people have...(Satan is really the good guy and God is the evil one), I did some reading on this theory awhile back, its really interesting, they do have some good points

Only because they do not know truth. Nor can they know the mind of God in every thought. But all that know him, knows he chooses correctly everytime. Mortals see an iota of what trillions of gazillions of things God sees and knows. He knows best for his creation.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Wasnt 'the issue' resolved when God kicked satan and the other angels out of heaven?

Besides that, if the issue takes this long to sort out, either God is not as all powerful as we are led to believe, or the bible is completely wrong on many points.

Satan was booted out of heaven here at Rev 6= 1914-
The white horse represents-righteous war. This is the war in heaven. Michael took that ride, yet he receives his crown Rev 6 says--Only Jesus gets the crown.
Satan was cast to the earth-peace was taken from the earth( Rev 6) ww1--- After ww1, millions upon millions died all over the earth from starvation, diseases from the filth of the slaughters, etc ( the other 3 riders)
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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Satan was booted out of heaven here at Rev 6= 1914-
The white horse represents-righteous war. This is the war in heaven. Michael took that ride, yet he receives his crown Rev 6 says--Only Jesus gets the crown.
Satan was cast to the earth-peace was taken from the earth( Rev 6) ww1--- After ww1, millions upon millions died all over the earth from starvation, diseases from the filth of the slaughters, etc ( the other 3 riders)
Ahhh, nope....
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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You are in error. God made mortals to know only good, it was mortals who rebelled against God and caused this system. No death would ever have occurred if they did not eat of that tree. They didn't until Eve was lied to. But her and Adams choice caused this system. Gods kingdom will be a cure all.

It's a story....
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