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Au contraire! It is perfectly logical and reasonable
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Originally Posted by hd4me
That's what it comes down to? Just copy and paste from the skeptics annotated bible?
Ok, let's take a look at these Scriptures:
2 Chronicles 18:22
2 Chronicles 18:19-21 indicates God allows this to occur and not that he lied.
He allows Tom, Dick, or Harry to feed falsehoods to false prophets. Falsehoods to people who have made it their trade by spewing false information. And, the people who put trust in these prophets had rejected God's own prophets. Was it morally wrong and thus deceptive? No.
Here's a different translation of Jeremiah 4:10:
"In response to all this I said, “Ah, Lord God, you have surely allowed the people of Judah and Jerusalem to be deceived by those who say, ‘You will be safe!’ But in fact a sword is already at our throats.” The majority of the people in Judah and Jerusalem had put their trust in the false prophets and rejected the warnings from God. Again similar situations as in Ahab's time. He allows people who already have it in their hearts to believe the lies after warning them. Was it morally wrong and thus deceptive? No.
Here's a translation of Ezekiel 14:9 from the Tanakh:
"But the prophet who is enticed and speaks a word-I, the Lord, have enticed that prophet, and I shall stretch out My hand upon him and destroy him from the midst of My people Israel." Again these are false prophets whose living is dealing in falsehoods. Ultimately by allowing them to continue making false prophecies there true character would be revealed. Was his action morally wrong and thus deceptive? No.
We are conditioned to think of deception as something morally wrong because it can be. However, allowing deception to occur is not in and of itself deceitful in the sense of being immoral or unethical.
What if a person or persons are not just allowing but actually involved in deceit? Example, some Jews were saved during WW2 by the bravery of some who handed out visas/passports to people that were not lawfully entitled to them. That is deception is it not? Is it morally wrong?
If the God of the Bible is the true God then the means by which he accomplishes his will is not morally wrong. Why? because ultimately Mankind has a hope of living in peace. That's the future for mankind. By the way I am one of many Christians who have come to understand that the Bible doesn't teach of an afterlife nor does it teach eternal hell fire. For many, Christians or not and regardless of race and social status, there is the eventual resurrection. For some there isn't.
Contrast that with Satan's lie. No hope. No peace, No future for anyone.
So an omnimax deity cannot do what it needs to do without lying huh? Your god lies...just like when he said he told his mates that he wasn't going to the party but went anyway.
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11
If you are indeed a lover of The Truth...namely Yeshua Messiac, the only Adopted Son of The Blessed Living God...then consider yourself immune from that lying spirit.
Are you above reproach? The truth is, you are a self-identified atheist-hole who loves banging on the worlds tin can.
Should time and chance ever impose upon you the authority to prevent me from my Constitutional Right to vote simply because I believe God's immutable, and irrefutable eye-witness account of the creation of heaven and earth says nothing about man taking a magical gravity ride through the vacuum of space then I must assume you're not living in Spain but China.
If you are indeed a lover of The Truth...namely Yeshua Messiac, the only Adopted Son of The Blessed Living God...then consider yourself immune from that lying spirit.
Are you above reproach? The truth is, you are a self-identified atheist-hole who loves banging on the worlds tin can.
Should time and chance ever impose upon you the authority to prevent me from my Constitutional Right to vote simply because I believe God's immutable, and irrefutable eye-witness account of the creation of heaven and earth says nothing about man taking a magical gravity ride through the vacuum of space then I must assume you're not living in Spain but China.
...and so speaks someone that thinks the Earth is flat.
lol, the best cons use truth to deceive the prey. I mean look at 10,ooo people coming to invade our country is doing. Yes, its true, they are good people that need help. Yes, some people will forcibly take my family resources from me and my children in the name of "goodness" but in the end they are forcing their morals, usually for personal gratification, on me just like any fundy theist does. lmao, just like satin satan would/will do.
The first trick is to see decipher what is true vs what is unhealthy. they are not mutually exclusive. Satin's way is unhealthy over the long term. well, if one believes in that. I personally don't.
If you are indeed a lover of The Truth...namely Yeshua Messiac, the only Adopted Son of The Blessed Living God...then consider yourself immune from that lying spirit.
Are you above reproach? The truth is, you are a self-identified atheist-hole who loves banging on the worlds tin can.
Should time and chance ever impose upon you the authority to prevent me from my Constitutional Right to vote simply because I believe God's immutable, and irrefutable eye-witness account of the creation of heaven and earth says nothing about man taking a magical gravity ride through the vacuum of space then I must assume you're not living in Spain but China.
great example of 1/2 truth and why this milli-mental and fundy mental war will never stop screwing us in the middle.
yes, lover of truth. who wouldn't. except milli-fundy mental's that is.
truth = some religion thing. totally short sighted and unhealthy reasoning.
...and so speaks someone that thinks the Earth is flat.
Indeed, old bun -toaster. Littlewit's post is nothing but screaming Faith based abuse, projection (you can bet that the the rights he is accusing you of wanting to take from him are the ones he'd take from you) and accusations of being Chinese if you don't believe in fairy -tales.
For screwing up and creating so much suffering in the world
If you take the story at face value, he really was quite a bumbler, as Omni-Max characters go.
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