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Old 01-27-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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Evidence. Not ignorance, evidence.



Which is just a subset of chemistry. An exergonic chemical reaction to be precise. And you accused us of using the composition fallacy.

harry, what you don't understand is that life is a set of interactions, in a volume. At our level, Life is a set of chemical reactions in a volume. The first complex set of interactions per unit volume that has enough interions to be classified differently than other objects is a cell.

we are in a system if interactions that have the attributes of life.

You keep whipping out composition fallacy like it is in any way meaningful. It is not. You use the words "composition fallacy", strawman, and non sequitur like it theist whip out three people saw the empty tomb so jesus must of woke up and flew away.

You are misusing the word composition fallacy far more than mystic is misusing the word the god.
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Old 01-27-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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That sound I hear must be the goalposts moving.

Thank you for not going on ad naseum. Your opinions that reality is alive and conscious have been noted, and deemed lacking due to lack of any supporting evidence.
who's deems it not enough? you? we are in the biosphere. we are defined by that system and we feedback on that system to influence it.

it is far more valid to claim we are in a system of life (the biosphere) than it is to claim we are in a system of non life.

the word "alive". would you like to compare your evidence in claiming we are not in an alive system to that calculation and measurement that points to us in a living system? yeah, it may crude, but so was e=mc^2 until the lunar eclipse proves it.
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Old 01-27-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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Religious forums? Seems like a waste of time and electrons. Why post on a forum of which is devoted to a subject of which holds no relevance to one. I don’t knit or fly airplanes. I don’t visit knitting or airplane forums. So why all the none-spiritual people on this forum? Uncertain about one’s belief system? Perhaps.

If I’ve asked this question before, forgive me. I am simply perplexed.
Because they are not anti religion, just anti Christian.
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Old 01-27-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Because they are not anti religion, just anti Christian.
False.

Although, in the US of A, it's fundie Christians who pose the greatest danger to society so they remain the main targets of rational, empathetic, educated people.
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Old 01-27-2019, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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False.

Although, in the US of A, it's fundie Christians who pose the greatest danger to society so they remain the main targets of rational, empathetic, educated people.
Not to mention that most of the attention in this forum is about christianity since the vast majority of the posters are Americans and in America most people self-identify as christians. But playing the victim card is a common tactic of a certain swatch of the American religious/political landscape.
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Old 01-27-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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harry, what you don't understand is that life is a set of interactions, in a volume. At our level, Life is a set of chemical reactions in a volume. The first complex set of interactions per unit volume that has enough interions to be classified differently than other objects is a cell.
Do I listen to you and Mystic, or to actual biologists?

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we are in a system if interactions that have the attributes of life.

You keep whipping out composition fallacy like it is in any way meaningful. It is not. You use the words "composition fallacy", strawman, and non sequitur like it theist whip out three people saw the empty tomb so jesus must of woke up and flew away.

You are misusing the word composition fallacy far more than mystic is misusing the word the god.
No, I use the terms correctly. Your constant need to misrepresent this to attack people is against the forum rules.
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Because they are not anti religion, just anti Christian.
What part of "we do not believe in ANY gods" do you NOT understand?

The concept is simple for most people to understand.
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:21 AM
 
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Do I listen to you and Mystic, or to actual biologists?



No, I use the terms correctly. Your constant need to misrepresent this to attack people is against the forum rules.
Attacking? I am not attacking. Because I disagree with you I am attacking? the victim card eh.

me, you, and a biologist? You don't want that harry. On a forum you get to push less valid stances. Out in the real, with me, you, and a biologist, it won't end the same way.

the claim that we are in a system of "life" is more valid than the claim we are not in a system of life. If you have a biologist friend, bring them to me because you are not equipped. you stick to your little history lessons. I stick to my area of expertise.

I am saying you are misusing the terms. and you are.
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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False.

Although, in the US of A, it's fundie Christians who pose the greatest danger to society so they remain the main targets of rational, empathetic, educated people.
As opposed to the irrational Christian who doesn't denounce God and their belief in His Word?
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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What part of "we do not believe in ANY gods" do you NOT understand?

The concept is simple for most people to understand.
I believe the question of the OP included "skeptics? as well as atheist. Understand?
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