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Did you watch the video? Nobody mentioned anything about price. They just said it was quicker and there's no traffic. This is the Filipino way of short-cutting. If you live close to the track, it's easier to just catch a ride on the track on the illegal "train" than to get on the road and wait in traffic, or go to the train station. Keep in mind that the track is for the commuter line, so the train stations are further apart than LRT or MRT. If you live near the track, the illegal train is right there waiting. Filipinos are always finding ways to make short-cuts.
Jakarta had those trolleys too. But it was running on inactive rail tracks. Still, it was illegal here. After wide publications, it's gone now.
Moreover those Manila's illegal trolleys run on still active tracks. We are talking about lives here. Those can't be tolerated.
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Well, you have a much larger country (both land area and population), more cities, which means more accommodations, more people, which means more hotel workers, so you naturally support more tourists. So you should except more tourists. It's logical. It's like asking why the US has more tourists than Canada. The bigger country with more people is going to be able to support more tourists. The Philippines is a smaller country, so everything is going to be on a small scale.
It has nothing to do with population really. Hotel occupancy rate will NEVER reach 100% in any country in the world.
Big chunk of foreign tourists to Indonesia, come to Bali, a tiny island. In 2018, tourist arrival exceeds total population of Bali, 6 million vs 4 million. On par with the whole Philippines tourist arrival. More than total population of the island. And still, Bali is able to support many more.
I'm actually comparing 2017 numbers, because those are the latest official numbers we have. There were no major earthquakes or tsunamis during that year. But keep making excuses.
What are you talking about, Indonesia foreign tourists arrival jumped 21.8% in 2017 from 2016. 14.04 million vs 11.52 million
So foreign tourists arrival to Indonesia
2016.......11.52 million
2017.......14.04
2018.......16+ million
It's spacious, clean, and neat. It's massive. Too massive for me to walk from entrance to certain terminal or from arrival gate to exit door. A lil dark and somehow feels empty and cold. Baggage claim takes so long sometimes. But overall, it's quite good, an upgrade from terminal 1 and 2. It has skytrain to connect with terminal 1 and 2. It also has airport train to Jakarta city center vice versa.
Jakarta had those trolleys too. But it was running on inactive rail tracks. Still, it was illegal here. After wide publications, it's gone now.
Moreover those Manila's illegal trolleys run on still active tracks. We are talking about lives here. Those can't be tolerated.
It has nothing to do with population really. Hotel occupancy rate will NEVER reach 100% in any country in the world.
Big chunk of foreign tourists to Indonesia, come to Bali, a tiny island. In 2018, tourist arrival exceeds total population of Bali, 6 million vs 4 million. On par with the whole Philippines tourist arrival. More than total population of the island. And still, Bali is able to support many more.
Yes, there will be tourist hot spots in any country. Boracay only has a population of 30,000, but it attracts 1 million foreign tourists and 1 million more domestic tourists every year. (But the president is limiting the number of people allowed on the island now).
You're surprised that a country with a land area that is 6x larger than the Philippines is attracting 2x as many tourists? What's so surprising about that? If Indonesia didnt have at least 2x as many tourists as the Philippines, I'd be very concerned. There's more places to go in Indonesia, far more islands. If a large chunk just goes to Bali, well, that shows how tourism in Bali is doing great, but it doesnt show much about places like Jakarta. People are flying to Indonesia just to go to Jakarta? People dont fly to the Philippines just to go to Manila, I know that much.
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Jakarta International Airport Terminal 3
It's spacious, clean, and neat. It's massive. Too massive for me to walk from entrance to certain terminal or from arrival gate to exit door. A lil dark and somehow feels empty and cold. Baggage claim takes so long sometimes. But overall, it's quite good, an upgrade from terminal 1 and 2. It has skytrain to connect with terminal 1 and 2. It also has airport train to Jakarta city center vice versa.
It's funny that in both Manila and Jakarta airport, the best terminal is terminal 3
In Manila, the main complaints people have is that there are so many security checks. 1 right before you walk in the door (this is for anyone wanting to come in, not just people flying), another one when you go through airport security (like all airports do), and then some do another check before you sit down at your gate (but I've only seen this at Terminal 1). Security in the Philippines is super paranoid because of terrorist attacks in the past.
Terminal 3 has actually improved a lot. This video shows the food area and then the area with the stores. It feels like a small mall.
Terminal 3 has a pedestrian bridge that connects it to Newport City & Resorts World Manila.
Newport City is a new walkable area with a lot of condos, hotels, restaurants, a mall, and a casino.
Start the video at 1:30 to avoid his face
So they built a new area to create a convenient area for people who are only staying in Manila for a short amount of time. They're right there at the airport, but also close to lots of amenities and entertainment.
Terminal 1 also has international flights. They've recently renovated this terminal, and it actually looks nice
It doesnt have as many restaurants and stores as Terminal 3, but it's still nice. The gate areas all have big Samsung TVs and plenty of seats.
Yes, there will be tourist hot spots in any country. Boracay only has a population of 30,000, but it attracts 1 million foreign tourists and 1 million more domestic tourists every year. (But the president is limiting the number of people allowed on the island now).
You're surprised that a country with a land area that is 6x larger than the Philippines is attracting 2x as many tourists? What's so surprising about that? If Indonesia didnt have at least 2x as many tourists as the Philippines, I'd be very concerned. There's more places to go in Indonesia, far more islands. If a large chunk just goes to Bali, well, that shows how tourism in Bali is doing great, but it doesnt show much about places like Jakarta. People are flying to Indonesia just to go to Jakarta? People dont fly to the Philippines just to go to Manila, I know that much.
You just make issue, honey. It's irrelevant though.
Not all places are focusing on tourism. Raja Ampat and Komodo islands for example, govt pegs the cost of anything there to be way so expensive and limit the development of infrastructures such as hotels, ports, etc. to minimize the damage of mass tourism. And Indonesia has huge uninhabited areas as well, who the h wanna visit those places?
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It's funny that in both Manila and Jakarta airport, the best terminal is terminal 3
In Manila, the main complaints people have is that there are so many security checks. 1 right before you walk in the door (this is for anyone wanting to come in, not just people flying), another one when you go through airport security (like all airports do), and then some do another check before you sit down at your gate (but I've only seen this at Terminal 1). Security in the Philippines is super paranoid because of terrorist attacks in the past.
Most airports here do double security check, one in entrance before entering airport terminal, and one before entering waiting room.
My complains about NAIA besides of course the overcapacity and disorganized crowds, is transfer between terminals. Pain in the as* really. Not a surprise since the location of terminals are far away from each other, built without proper planning.
Indonesia has 6X the land area and 2.5X the population, and you're really bragging about how it gets 2.12X more tourists in 2017? That's completely expected. Indonesia is a bigger country in every way possible. It should have more tourists. If it had less tourists than the Philippines, then something would be seriously wrong. Yes, there are places and countries that are doing very well for their size.
Indonesia is one of the countries that is "undertouristed"
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These travellers will be spearheading travel to the "undertouristed" countries such as Tanzania, Papua New Guinea, Kenya or Indonesia where the tourist-to-population ratios fall under 5 per cent.Given the popularity of Bali, Indonesia might seem a surprising country to make the list. But when factoring in the country's population of more than 260 million, and the fact that many parts of the country remain undiscovered by tourists, the ranking makes sense.
Indonesia is 4th on the list for least tourists per capita.
I dont think this is a bad thing though. The good thing about Indonesia and the Philippines is they're not overrun with tourists like Mainland Southeast Asia.
Your videos are always roads. Always in the car. That's the only way to enjoy Jakarta. In the car, looking at skyscrapers.
I've already shown you that people in Jakarta sit in traffic longer than people in Manila. This is despite the fact that Jakarta has a lower population density than Manila. The nice shiny highways arent helping much with the traffic
You still don't understand this video, here Jakarta is not traffic and there are not many vehicles and you see Jakarta with such a beautiful view and on the side of the road there is an MRT , BRT station which is neatly lined up this is distinguishes Jakarta with Manila
You just make issue, honey. It's irrelevant though.
Not all places are focusing on tourism. Raja Ampat and Komodo islands for example, govt pegs the cost of anything there to be way so expensive and limit the development of infrastructures such as hotels, ports, etc. to minimize the damage of mass tourism. And Indonesia has huge uninhabited areas as well, who the h wanna visit those places?
Most airports here do double security check, one in entrance before entering airport terminal, and one before entering waiting room.
My complains about NAIA besides of course the overcapacity and disorganized crowds, is transfer between terminals. Pain in the as* really. Not a surprise since the location of terminals are far away from each other, built without proper planning.
Those are beautiful islands, btw. We have similar islands around Siargao, Coron and El Nido
Credit to Jonny Melon
You still don't understand this video, here Jakarta is not traffic and there are not many vehicles and you see Jakarta with such a beautiful view and on the side of the road there is an MRT , BRT station which is neatly lined up this is distinguishes Jakarta with Manila
Umm. There is definitely traffic in the video, especially from around 1:30-2:30. I mean, it's not bad traffic, but there's still traffic.
And what's your point? Are you trying to prove that Jakarta doesnt have traffic? Because I already posted a source that shows that people in Jakarta sit in traffic longer than people in Manila. And this is despite the fact that Manila is more densely populated.
Here's a highway in Manila during the day and there's no traffic
But this video doesnt prove that Manila has no traffic.
You can see that Manila and Jakarta are set up differently. In Jakarta, your business districts are stretched out along the highways. Thats why you see lines of skyscrapers along the highways when you're driving. But in Manila, the business districts are further away from the highways. Business districts aren't centered around the highways, they have smaller roads because they're clustered, walkable areas. Thats because the CBDs in Jakarta are built more for cars, whereas the CBDs in Manila are built more for pedestrians.
Here's a drive around a business district in Manila. The video enters BGC around 1:40
Notice there arent vast highways running through it. Just regular roads, with restaurants, shops, and businesses right there on the street. It's just built differently from Jakarta
Indonesia has 6X the land area and 2.5X the population, and you're really bragging about how it gets 2.12X more tourists in 2017? That's completely expected. Indonesia is a bigger country in every way possible. It should have more tourists. If it had less tourists than the Philippines, then something would be seriously wrong. Yes, there are places and countries that are doing very well for their size.
Indonesia is one of the countries that is "undertouristed"
Indonesia is 4th on the list for least tourists per capita.
I dont think this is a bad thing though. The good thing about Indonesia and the Philippines is they're not overrun with tourists like Mainland Southeast Asia.
Bragging?
It's you who keep making statement, more of excuses though, about how small tourist arrival to Philippines compared to Indonesia because Phil has smaller landmass and smaller population. When in fact, countries like Malaysia or Thailand is able to attract many more foreign tourists than even Indonesia.
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Those are beautiful islands, btw. We have similar islands around Siargao, Coron and El Nido
But now they're overrun with tourists. So having more tourists isnt necessarily a good thing.
Indeed. Philippines shares so many similarities with eastern Indonesia in term of landscapes, esp. around Sulawesi, Moluccas, and western part of Papua. Dramatic limestone cliffs meet white sandy beaches. I like that.
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