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Old 07-10-2011, 04:25 PM
 
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I think PKCorey has a point, and arjay's post was a bit misleading. I doubt the average teacher is finding a summertime gig that pays at the same rate as their school-year job, allowing them to bring home a gross annual income of $81K. The $60K teaching salary is probably more like it. That's not a bad income I guess, particularly when accompanied by excellent benefits, but neither is it exactly astoundingly lucrative.
Good post. Couldn't rep you again.
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Old 07-10-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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Ebonics is a non-linguistic term--with racist connotations.

The dialect of American English known as African American Vernacular English does not have anything to do with this discussion--unless one has an alterior motive/agenda.


Peruse, por favor:
More to the point, it suggests teaching using an English with a different grammatical structure than standard American English. So how will this prepare these students for university work or becoming part of the American workforce?
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:06 PM
 
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More to the point, it suggests teaching using an English with a different grammatical structure than standard American English. So how will this prepare these students for university work or becoming part of the American workforce?
Actually, it is about being aware of and using their different dialect background in order to help them acquire Standard American English. This would help them better navigate standard American society--along with an additional gift/asset of being bi-dialectual.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:11 PM
 
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Actually, it is about being aware of and using their different dialect background in order to help them acquire Standard American English. This would help them better navigate standard American society--along with an additional gift/asset of being bi-dialectual.
Yep, keep teaching your kids to speak ebonics and give them names like Shardon'nay, Marquesha, Dontavius, etc. and see how far they get in their careers in "standard American society"......and then beotch about the results of course.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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There are no teachers' unions in Georgia, arjay.
Well, that's true and I stand corrected. Two of my daughters-in-law have been teachers and I should know that.

However, many Georgia teachers are represented by the Georgia Association of Educators, which is an affiliate of NEA. Although they can't do collective bargaining here, GAE lobbies on behalf of teachers and provides aggressive legal representation for its members. See here. So I'll back off my statement that it's unlikely anybody will be fired, but if they are it will be a battle.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:19 PM
 
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Yep, keep teaching your kids to speak ebonics and give them names like Shardon'nay, Marquesha, Dontavius, etc. and see how far they get in their careers in "standard American society"......and then beotch about the results of course.
This was an attack on me! Ive had many people make this comment about my name before but did not expect to find this to happen here in Atl the Black mecca. I am curious what you think about the Census numbers and I wonder if its a consyracy tied into to the Cheating. Just to make black folks look bad.

~Markesha
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:34 PM
 
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You do know the pay is the same for the whole year, correct?

Only difference, you can spread your check over 12 months instead of 10 months (pay check during summer break). A teacher contract is 180 days only.

Your pay doesn't increase to 52 weeks...
Sure. That's why I said the $59,528 for is 38 weeks. That would come to to $81,459 if the teacher worked a full calendar year, but of course they don't since they take the summer off. I know some teach summer school or work on another degree, but they can travel or just hang out if they prefer.

And of course I didn't attempt to factor in for paid days off. An APS teacher gets a minimum of 24 paid days off per year, plus sick leave or many other forms of leave if needed.

My point is not that teachers are getting rich, because they are not. However, the pay, benefits and enormous flexibility make it a pretty attractive situation for someone with a bachelor's degree. They're making good money by most people's standards. You can see how they stack up against other occupations here (and bear in mind that teachers have three months off).

I'm glad teachers are well compensated. That's as it should be.

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Old 07-10-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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Actually, it is about being aware of and using their different dialect background in order to help them acquire Standard American English. This would help them better navigate standard American society--along with an additional gift/asset of being bi-dialectual.
It sounds good doesn't it? One's intuition would suspect this. A similar approach was used with bilingual education. Teach in Spanish and gradually try to learn English. But the results were disappointing. An immersive approach (English only) was tried instead and its opponents predicted it would be disastrous. But to their surprise, it worked very well and many (not sure if all) were converts.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:52 PM
 
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Yep, keep teaching your kids to speak ebonics and give them names like Shardon'nay, Marquesha, Dontavius, etc. and see how far they get in their careers in "standard American society"......and then beotch about the results of course.

Re-read the post, Racist--

Atlanta Schools Cheating for A Decade



And why would I need to teach my students African American Vernacular English? What color am I again?
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:54 PM
 
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It sounds good doesn't it? One's intuition would suspect this. A similar approach was used with bilingual education. Teach in Spanish and gradually try to learn English. But the results were disappointing. An immersive approach (English only) was tried instead and its opponents predicted it would be disastrous. But to their surprise, it worked very well and many (not sure if all) were converts.
It is not about teaching in AAVE (or Spanish, etc.), though that is an approach that some like (but I don't agree with).

If you read my post carefully, I said "being aware of...", not teaching in. "Being aware" can make a huge difference when teaching/learning language/dialect acquisition.
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