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What about those of us who had lived in Quebec for generations? Were just supposed to leave?
It wasnt fun for younger me to basically be forced out of where I grew up and called home, due to being the wrong ethnicity. One after another almost all of us left and had to start over in Ontario or BC or America or elsewhere.
Is that really what you endorse?
Well I wouldn't be staying somewhere all my life I resented and had a snowballs chance in Singapore of materially changing. There are people dying in the world crossing Ocean's and Sea's to escape a place they so resented, and have nowhere else to go in their home country because everywhere is the same. In Canada you are fortunate to have the choice. I'm sure you're fine in Oakville, it is one of the wealthiest places in the country.
What about those of us who had lived in Quebec for generations? Were just supposed to leave?
It wasnt fun for younger me to basically be forced out of where I grew up and called home, due to being the wrong ethnicity. One after another almost all of us left and had to start over in Ontario or BC or America or elsewhere.
Is that really what you endorse?
Well I wouldn't be staying somewhere all my life I resented and had a snowballs chance in Singapore of materially changing. There are people dying in the world crossing Ocean's and Sea's to escape a place they so resented, and have nowhere else to go in their home country because everywhere is the same. In Canada you are fortunate to have the choice. I'm sure you're fine in Oakville, it is one of the wealthiest places in the country.
In many respects, Quebec's anti-English hostility is reminiscent of the German Nuremberg laws. People facing legislation essentially depriving them of equal protection are often well-advised to leave, even if the result in not fatal.
Robert Bourassa, the Liberal Premier of Quebec shepherded through Bill 22, the first major anti-English legislation, restricting English language signs. Bill 101, during Rene Levesque's mandate, revolutionized Quebec education. Both had the effect of rendering Anglophones people unwelcome in their homes. Snowhound makes a powerful point here.
In many respects, Quebec's anti-English hostility is reminiscent of the German Nuremberg laws. People facing legislation essentially depriving them of equal protection are often well-advised to leave, even if the result in not fatal.
Robert Bourassa, the Liberal Premier of Quebec shepherded through Bill 22, the first major anti-English legislation, restricting English language signs. Bill 101, during Rene Levesque's mandate, revolutionized Quebec education. Both had the effect of rendering Anglophones people unwelcome in their homes. Snowhound makes a powerful point here.
It's understandable that people not be thrilled at seeing the rules of the game change in this way, but given the unwillingness/inability/hostility towards adapting to the new situation, and the obsession with retaining a dominant position over the numerically superior yet downtrodden masses of another "ethnicity", it's really hard to see these guys as heroic freedom fighters.
Not to mention that hundreds of thousands of Anglo-Quebecers did adapt and are still here.
I won't be made to feel bad for recognizing the fact that unless we take some measures against the linguistic steamroller that is the clear lingua franca of North America and the world, we'll cease to exist within a couple generations.
All of your (jbgusa) whining can be directly traced to that one observation, BTW.
I won't be made to feel bad for recognizing the fact that unless we take some measures against the linguistic steamroller that is the clear lingua franca of North America and the world, we'll cease to exist within a couple generations.
All of your (jbgusa) whining can be directly traced to that one observation, BTW.
Sorry but that doesn't make one iota of sense to me. I was relating to a lot of your posts until you said that. There is no reason why any peoples' existence would be dependent on the languages that any people use. If that's how Quebecois think about themselves, as losers, then I think that's silly and childish and it's no wonder they're having problems with all their control issues. Thinking that way does make losers out of people.
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Sorry but that doesn't make one iota of sense to me. I was relating to a lot of your posts until you said that. There is no reason why any peoples' existence would be dependent on the languages that any people use. If that's how Quebecois think about themselves, as losers, then I think that's silly and childish and it's no wonder they're having problems with all their control issues. Thinking that way does make losers out of people.
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Language is common factor of identity in any society. ask anyone in Belgium, Switzerland, or anywhere else. You wouldn't get it since English Canada doesn't have a identity!
The part about being losers sounds more like English Canada's famous insecurity with the Americans. Why do you have Canadian Content?
If someone is insulting my country and my queen without justification or rebuke then yes I will say something.
Quebec can do what they want but Im not happy about the fact that so many of them sit around humiliating Canada when they get more free handouts than anyone. Either get your independence or keep it to yourself.
It isnt fair to all the people in Quebec who dont want anything to do with this to just say sure you can be independent off of a vote of 51%. We owe it the Canadian citizens residing there to do better than that.
Even with desperate hispanic and middle eastern immigrants flooding into to the country from god knows where and the rising cost of rents and housing we still have to cowtow to the Quebecios malcontents. It gets tiresome really.
Thats ironic because you just proclaimed that another poster named UrbanLuis becomes frustrated quite easily. You should work on getting your reps to a higher ratio like me. Apparently someone is agreeing with me.
So you can't stand us, but you also don't want us to get independence?
Language is common factor of identity in any society. ask anyone in Belgium, Switzerland, or anywhere else. You wouldn't get it since English Canada doesn't have a identity!
This is especially true of Quebec, which unlike a place like Japan (and in spite of what people often accuse us of), is not an ethnic bloodline based society.
[SIZE=3][/SIZE][SIZE=3]To followup on the issue of « identity without language » a bit more, yes insome cases it’s possible for groups to undergo language loss or transfer andstill retain their identity (or some semblance of their identity). [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE][SIZE=3]But inorder for that to happen you generally either need to base the identity onsomething else like ethnicity/bloodline exclusivity (as in the case of various indigenous groups)or an independent state (Ireland is the most obvious example).[/SIZE]
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Sorry but that doesn't make one iota of sense to me. I was relating to a lot of your posts until you said that. There is no reason why any peoples' existence would be dependent on the languages that any people use.
Actually, that is incorrect in cases where culturally distinct People A are a smaller group within much larger People B. They'll "merge into" People B within a few generations if you're "not careful".
And just as I "understand" pro-French-language measures in Quebec, I also understand (and am perfectly fine with) anti-French-language measures in the Flemish Brabant. The logic is the exact same.
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