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Old 08-05-2019, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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What I mean is why would someone support the queen just because the United States aren't doing it? Why would it matter?
If a major part of your national identity is related to being "not American", the appeal of this seems obvious, no?
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Québec
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If a major part of your national identity is related to being "not American", the appeal of this seems obvious, no?
I see, I assume you mean outside of Quebec. The identity in Quebec is much more than not American. We have our own culture.
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Old 08-05-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ☀️ ♥ 🍁 ♥ ☀️
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Speaking of this, why do so many people still support the queen? It is kind of irrelevant now isn't it?
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What I mean is why would someone support the queen just because the United States aren't doing it? Why would it matter?

I don't agree that Canada supports the Queen because America doesn't support the Queen. I think that's a ridiculous and thoughtless, ignorant thing to even think. Canada is a monarchy, America is a republic, and it does NOT matter.

Maybe the monarchy is irrelevant to YOU. You're entitled to your opinion about what is relevant or irrelevant to yourself but your opinion is not the opinion of most Canadians.

In answer to your question: Canada supports the Queen because Canada is a monarchy and the Queen is Canada's monarch. That's what monarchies do, they have monarchs. When the Queen (long may she live) is dead and gone her heir the King will inherit her position as Canada's monarch and Canada will then support the King (long may he live).

It's as simple as that and anyone who lives in Canada should be able to understand that. What is there to not understand about that?

And whether you with your different identity and culture like it or not, and are willing or not willing to support Canada's monarch, if you live in Canada the reigning monarch in Canada is your monarch too.

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Old 08-05-2019, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I see, I assume you mean outside of Quebec. The identity in Quebec is much more than not American. We have our own culture.
I did not have Quebec in mind at all in my answers.
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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I see, I assume you mean outside of Quebec. The identity in Quebec is much more than not American. We have our own culture.
You're on the right track. Acajack is saying that anglo Canada's "culture" is mostly based on being "Not American". (Acajack please tell me if not)

That means having a monarchy is something they will hold on to in name only. That way they can have a vestige of their own culture, instead of copying the U.S. like most other things.
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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I don't agree that Canada supports the Queen because America doesn't support the Queen. I think that's a ridiculous and thoughtless, ignorant thing to even think. Canada is a monarchy, America is a republic, and it does NOT matter.

Maybe the monarchy is irrelevant to YOU. You're entitled to your opinion about what is relevant or irrelevant to yourself but your opinion is not the opinion of most Canadians.

In answer to your question: Canada supports the Queen because Canada is a monarchy and the Queen is Canada's monarch. That's what monarchies do, they have monarchs. When the Queen (long may she live) is dead and gone her heir the King will inherit her position as Canada's monarch and Canada will then support the King (long may he live).

It's as simple as that and anyone who lives in Canada should be able to understand that. What is there to not understand about that?

And whether you with your different identity and culture like it or not, and are willing or not willing to support Canada's monarch, if you live in Canada the reigning monarch in Canada is your monarch too.

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Well the Canadian government along with those in the U.K. and Australia have morphed into essentially the same thing as the American one formed in the 18th century. In English structure and outlook.

You have kept the monarchy nominally, but our government, over time, has come to essentially operate like the U.S. government, though with a smaller populace and a bit less democratic.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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You're on the right track. Acajack is saying that anglo Canada's "culture" is mostly based on being "Not American". (Acajack please tell me if not)

That means having a monarchy is something they will hold on to in name only. That way they can have a vestige of their own culture, instead of copying the U.S. like most other things.
You boys are really on a roll now aren't you?

I post that some of us are "ambivalent" about having a Royal association of any kind and one of you floats the fallacy that's "supporting the Queen".

Yet another jumps into the feeding frenzy with "it's an imperative part of our not being American identity" as though there would be no ROC culture without some remnant of Royal affiliation with yet another fallacious strawman of a rebuttal.

while you kiddies are enjoying your circle jerk of anti ROC silliness, have you bothered to consider who started this thread and why that was?

Was it an anglo in the throes of an anti Quebec tantrum? NOPE!

Here's a thought; consider this as my position vis-à-vis Quebec and it's cultural uniqueness; yes I think Quebec's culture is unique and very valuable to maintain but not at the expense of it presuming a god-like status of "whatever they say goes" platform of no challenge being allowed.

Further; if it weren't for PB and others on here stirring the pot occasionally, the CAQ, Quebec's status, Quebec's culture etc., would NEVER be thought of at all. So in that context it's akin to those Americans who do not think of Canada ever.

Canada enjoys an identity throughout the world community that defines our culture very nicely without Quebec even being mentioned other than the amazing tolerance the ROC accommodates one province continually whining about how it's been ignored throughout the ages.

Keep pushing those buttons and you'll empower any number of others to bring this to the fore and this wonderful country of ours will eventually be split asunder, then you'll be begging for scraps at an American table you seem to enjoy the prospect of getting a booster seat to sit at.

No patronage contracts for Bombardier trains that don't arrive and don't work when they do, no transfer payments from the ROC to maintain your healthcare and daycare for all. All of that comes to a grinding and painful halt with the rest of the world only interested in how they can benefit from showing some interest in your plight.

Maple syrup is also made in Vermont.

I quite enjoyed that little non P C rant.

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Old 08-05-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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You boys are really on a roll now aren't you?

I post that some of us are "ambivalent" about having a Royal association of any kind and one of you floats the fallacy that's "supporting the Queen".

Yet another jumps into the feeding frenzy with "it's and imperative part of our not being American identity" as though there would be no ROC culture without some remnant of Royal affiliation with yet another fallacious strawman of a rebuttal.

while you kiddies are enjoying your circle jerk of anti ROC silliness, have you bothered to consider who started this thread and why that was?

Was it an anglo in the throes of an anti Quebec tantrum? NOPE!

Here's a thought; consider this as my position vis-à-vis Quebec and it's cultural uniqueness; yes I think Quebec's culture is unique and very valuable to maintain but not at the expense of it presuming a god-like status of "whatever they say goes" platform of no challenge being allowed.

Further; if it weren't for PB and others on here stirring the pot occasionally, the CAQ, Quebec's status, Quebec's culture etc., would NEVER be thought of at all. So in that context it's akin to those Americans who do not think of Canada ever.

Canada enjoys an identity throughout the world community that defines our culture very nicely without Quebec even being mentioned other than the amazing tolerance the ROC accommodates one province continually whining about how it's been ignored throughout the ages.

Keep pushing those buttons and you'll empower any number of others to bring this to the fore and this wonderful country of ours will eventually be split asunder, then you'll be begging for scraps at an American table you seem to enjoy the prospect of getting a booster seat to sit at.

No patronage contracts for Bombardier trains that don't arrive and don't work when they do, no transfer payments from the ROC to maintain your healthcare and daycare for all. All of that comes to a grinding and painful halt with the rest of the world only interested in how they can benefit from showing some interest in your plight.

Maple syrup is also made in Vermont.

I quite enjoyed that little non P C rant.
It's all in good sport.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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You boys are really on a roll now aren't you?

I post that some of us are "ambivalent" about having a Royal association of any kind and one of you floats the fallacy that's "supporting the Queen".
Just to be clear, I don't think that most Canadians support the queen nor do I assume that you do. Zoisite may have missed the numbers, only about 1/3 or 1/4 of Canadians care for remaining a monarchy.

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You boys are really on a roll now aren't you?

Yet another jumps into the feeding frenzy with "it's and imperative part of our not being American identity" as though there would be no ROC culture without some remnant of Royal affiliation with yet another fallacious strawman of a rebuttal.
Well, I say this quite genuinely, BruSan. What constitutes anglo Canadian identity outside of being "Not American".

There are very few things, to be frank with you.

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Here's a thought; consider this as my position vis-à-vis Quebec and it's cultural uniqueness; yes I think Quebec's culture is unique and very valuable to maintain but not at the expense of it presuming a god-like status of "whatever they say goes" platform of no challenge being allowed.

Further; if it weren't for PB and others on here stirring the pot occasionally, the CAQ, Quebec's status, Quebec's culture etc., would NEVER be thought of at all. So in that context it's akin to those Americans who do not think of Canada ever.
Fair enough.

I just wanted to see what Canadians thought of what's going on inside of Canada.

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Canada enjoys an identity throughout the world community that defines our culture very nicely without Quebec even being mentioned other than the amazing tolerance the ROC accommodates one province continually whining about how it's been ignored throughout the ages.
But does it?

If you asked your average Japanese/German/Nigerian they wouldn't know what defines Canadian culture. We seem to have a lot of disagreement among ourselves. You claim that Canada was not, in fact, started by the French - remember?

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Keep pushing those buttons and you'll empower any number of others to bring this to the fore and this wonderful country of ours will eventually be split asunder, then you'll be begging for scraps at an American table you seem to enjoy the prospect of getting a booster seat to sit at.
BruSan, Canada IS the booster seat!

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No patronage contracts for Bombardier trains that don't arrive and don't work when they do, no transfer payments from the ROC to maintain your healthcare and daycare for all. All of that comes to a grinding and painful halt with the rest of the world only interested in how they can benefit from showing some interest in your plight.

Maple syrup is also made in Vermont.

I quite enjoyed that little non P C rant.
I'm not a separatist. Not sure why I get these end of the world scenarios where Quebec is independent.

BruSan, I hope you are doing well!
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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For starters it's a tangible obvious difference between Canada and the United States. And there aren't a million of those things to go around.
Is it really support for the Queen/Monarchy, or the support of how our government works and is set up, as it has been since the creation of the country?

It's not like Canada said " hey, let's have a monarchy to be different than the US. "

It is simply a reality.

If someone polled me and asked if I support the monarchy, and I said no, what I would be suggesting is to abolish it for Canada and therefore change our whole system of government. Why would i want to go through such a time consuming, and costly process when things work pretty well as they are? So I would answer yes, I support the monarchy for Canada, for now, it's fine.

Anyway, some polls show support for the monarchy in Canada at 43 percent ( including Quebec I believe, where when taken out of the ROC stats, stands at 71 percent opposed ) , which is similar to recent polls in Australia, where support for the monarchy has risen in the last 20 years to 41 percent.

Demographics, seem to play a part in both countries, so I'm doubtful that in Canada we keep/support it just to be "a tangible obvious difference between Canada and the United States. "

Although I know that goes well with your talking points.

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