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There seems to be this common belief that God did not create sin, simply because no one wants to believe He would do such a thing. To me, it only makes sense and there is scripture to back it up. If God did not create sin, then sin would not exist, right? He is the Creator of ALL things, good or bad. Reject it or accept it, it exists because God created it and allows it to exist.
Ironmaw1776 quoted Romans 11 in another thread, and that's what gave me the idea for this thread.
Romans 11:32
32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
If this doesn't speak of Him allowing sin, I don't know what does. If this doesn't speak of universal reconciliation, I don't know what does. This one verse says it ALL.
Romans 11:7-9
7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written:
"God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day."[a] 9And David says:
"May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
I mean, come on!! The above shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that God deliberately made them stupid, gave them eyes that could not see or ears that could not hear!! GOD IS IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING!! Sin and evil exist for HIS PURPOSE, although we may not understand it. HE created it, and we are to avoid it. That's the rules. He has a few elect, and the rest God will reconcile to himself. And He will:
1 Timothy 2:3-5
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
You just can't argue with this stuff. The Bible is clear that God is the Creator of all things, including sin, but we are told quite clearly what to do when it comes to sin:
Romans 12:9
[ Love ] Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
LOVE!!! There's the answer to it all!! If we follow what Jesus said, the rest will fall in line:
Luke 10:27
He (Jesus) answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
The focus should always be on love. Does it really concern us why God created sin? Does it really concern us why He allows sin and evil? NO!! It is His desire that it exists, it is our job to concern ourselves with following His commandments, avoiding sin and evil, and to LOVE. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!!
Ilene,
I agree with you that God created all and that even if he did not create sin directly -- he did create it indirectly by giving the ability for disobedience......
even if he did not create sin directly -- he did create it indirectly by giving the ability for disobedience......
There you go. Evil comes to existence when God is rejected, just like darkness comes to existence when light is removed. Man was created with free will, and that led to man rejecting God, which allowed evil to enter. Evil did not need to be created because it is the counter force to good, like darkness is to light.
There you go. Evil comes to existence when God is rejected, just like darkness comes to existence when light is removed. Man was created with free will, and that led to man rejecting God, which allowed evil to enter. Evil did not need to be created because it is the counter force to good, like darkness is to light.
So you believe that man was created by God with the ability to fail ?
There you go. Evil comes to existence when God is rejected, just like darkness comes to existence when light is removed. Man was created with free will, and that led to man rejecting God, which allowed evil to enter. Evil did not need to be created because it is the counter force to good, like darkness is to light.
How I see it is that Everything is created by God ---- evil is not the absence of good it is the opposite. I think that the dark is an integral part of creation.
Even the space, including the dark, that we inhabit was created by God -- the universe itself is held together with laws of time, space and matter..........
Even the space, including the dark, that we inhabit was created by God -- the universe itself is held together with laws of time, space and matter..........
There's a verse in Job I think that talks about God working in darkness.
Edit: It's Psalm 18:11.
Quote:
He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
Last edited by little elmer; 06-21-2010 at 03:34 PM..
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