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Old 06-23-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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I believe that the belief that the wicked will never want any part of God, sets evil and wickedness above the power of God to subject all to Himself.

The spirit cannot be annihilated if it returns to God. None are annihilated if all return to Him.

"For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things.” Rom. 11:36

God bless and peace.

Great points, Shana.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:44 PM
 
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I believe that the belief that the wicked will never want any part of God, sets evil and wickedness above the power of God to subject all to Himself.

The spirit cannot be annihilated if it returns to God.

God bless and peace.
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The spirit cannot be annihilated if it returns to God.
The spirit that returns to God is the spirit/breath of life. The breath of life is not something that is either 'saved' or "annihilated." It just that; the breath/spirit of life given to us a birth.

How do we know it's not something more? Here's just 5 of the many places breath/neshwamaw is used:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath [neshwamaw] of life; and man became a living soul." (Gen. 2:7).

Gen.7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath [neshwamaw]of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. {the breath…: Heb. the breath of the spirit of life}


Psa. 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath [neshwamaw]

of thy nostrils.

Prov. 20:27 ¶ The spirit [neshwamaw]of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


Isa.2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath [neshwamaw] is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?


Now the breath/spirit that returns to God is of all ppl whether 'good' or "evil."

So your statement/quote above holds no water, Shana. The breath/spirit of life, of every man, returns to God at the death of the soul. Why? Because God gave this breath in the first place.

It's not, BTW, an immortal breath.

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Old 06-23-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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Now the breath/spirit that returns to God is of all ppl whether 'good' or "evil."
I agree with you, Mshipmate. I did not say that it was more than this. Thrillobyte believes that the spirit can be annihilated. I just mentioned that it cannot be annihilated if it returns to God. I don't know if we can say if it is or is not an immortal breath.


Thank you .sparrow

God bless and peace.

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Old 06-23-2012, 11:54 PM
 
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Some believe in eternal death and some believe in annihilation then. What is the difference as far as the soul is concerned?

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I see no difference. The soul that sins shall die. Ezekiel 18:4

When the wicked are judged and cast into the lake they will ultimately die. That is eternal. They will never live again. That is the state of "outer darkness".
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:44 AM
 
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So you finally got it?...
Are you annihilationist, Richard? That question sounds weird for some reason.
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:45 AM
 
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"The state of outer darkness is not knowing the truth."
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:01 AM
 
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I agree with you, Mshipmate. I did not say that it was more than this. Thrillobyte believes that the spirit can be annihilated. I just mentioned that it cannot be annihilated if it returns to God. I don't know if we can say if it is or is not an immortal breath.

God bless and peace.
I'm not exactly clear on this myself. Goggle "soul vs spirit" and you'll get a hundred different opinions. Seems the so-called "Bible experts" and "theologians" can't get their acts together on this one either. What DO they agree on, I wonder?

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Old 06-24-2012, 01:27 AM
 
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I'm not exactly clear on this myself. Goggle "soul vs spirit" and you'll get a hundred different opinions. Seems the so-called "Bible experts" and "theologians" can't get their acts together on this one either. What DO they agree on, I wonder?

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Six score six, the books of man's progress.
Unfortunately, I am out of Rep's.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:40 AM
 
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Six score six, the books of man's progress.
Unfortunately, I am out of Rep's.
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The mark of Satan, you mean! I won't sleep tonight!
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:52 AM
 
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"The state of outer darkness is not knowing the truth."
Darkness is used as a metaphor for death in scripture.

11 My days are past , my purposes are broken off , even the thoughts of my heart. 12 They change the night into day: the light is short because of darkness. 13 If I wait , the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness. Job 17:11-13

5 Yea, the light of the wicked shall be put out , and the spark of his fire shall not shine . 6 The light shall be dark in his tabernacle, and his candle shall be put out with him. Job 18:5-6

16 His roots shall be dried up beneath, and above shall his branch be cut off . 17 His remembrance shall perish from the earth, and he shall have no name in the street . 18 He shall be driven from light into darkness, and chased out of the world. Job 18:16-18

Outer Darkness was Jesus way of saying they would come to nothing.
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