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Here's how I understand it based on what I've read: "the LORD breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul." Now I take this to mean that all living creatures have a soul, which dies with the body at death, including man's. But man has one thing unique to him and that is a spirit. It is this entity that Solomon says returns to God at death. "And the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."
The soul doesn't return. It dies. The spirit returns to God for safe keeping until the resurrection. Then again soul and spirit are often used interchangeably. Honestly, this is just one more example of the Bible talking out of both sides of its mouth. Which is not God's fault but the fault of the people who translated it. Solomon says "in death there is no remembrance of Thee" But if their spirit or soul is in heaven or hell then obviously there IS remembrance of God. So it's a flip of the coin, far as I'm concerned.
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Now I take this to mean that all living creatures have a soul, which dies with the body at death, including man's.
The Bible never contradicts itself. If two passages appear to be opposite it's us who is wrong not the Scriptures.
Man says we have an immortal soul. The Scriptures tell us only God/Messiah have immortality in this age.
Man says we 'have' a soul. The Scriptures tell us we are a [living]
Soul:
Ppl/living beings, animals [anything that hath life whether in the ocean or crawls on the ground].
Ppl mentioned as pronouns: him, her, themselves, himself, etc…
Ppl expressing desires, appetites, feelings: my soul hateth, my soul doeth magnify the Lord, my soul thirsteth etc..
Ppl/animals that die, i.e. "and every living soul died in the sea."
Ppl, souls can be delivered from death.
A dead body, a dead corpse=a dead soul.
So yes, 'we,' that living soul, that living being, can die, and when it does our breath/spirit returns to God.
So who are you going to believe? God or man?
Man says soul and spirit are used interchangeably. The Scriptures tells us they are two different words with two different meanings: Soul=man or animal. Spirit=mind, breath or wind.
“Ask of me, and I will give thee the heathen for thy inheritance, and the uttermost part of the earth for thy possession.” Ps. 2:8. “The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.” John 3:35 All ultimately belong to Him.
Zephanian 3:
8 “Therefore wait for Me,” declares the Lord,
“For the day when I rise up as a witness.
Indeed, My decision is to gather nations,
To assemble kingdoms,
To pour out on them My indignation,
All My burning anger;
For all the earth will be devoured
By the fire of My zeal.
9 “For then I will [a]give to the peoples purified lips,
That all of them may call on the name of the Lord,
To serve Him [b]shoulder to shoulder
14For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery [g]leading to fear again, but you have received [h]a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “ Abba! Father!†16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, [i]in *hope21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.
*hope=elpis=expectation
I also believe that the soul that sins will die but I believe that death, is to be abolished or made of no effect one day. My belief is that God's word does not contradict itself.
Again, may God bless you in your studies and thanks for the discussion.
God bless and peace.
I'm certain the "we" and "us" pertain to those in Paul's flock who have received Jesus, not the wicked who wanted no part of Him. I believe that after the wicked have been annihilated then there will be no more death. And death is swallowed up in victory, so to speak.
I'm certain the "we" and "us" pertain to those in Paul's flock who have received Jesus, not the wicked who wanted no part of Him. I believe that after the wicked have been annihilated then there will be no more death. And death is swallowed up in victory, so to speak.
Sorry friend but that analysis of Romans 8:19-21
Rom 8:19-21 For the premonition of the creation is awaiting the unveiling of the sons of God. (20) For to
vanity was the creation subjected, not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation"
(21) that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of
the children of God."
We are the children of God. We are the sons of God. The creation which is currently in slavery of corruption of sin and death (which are those outside the sphere of the sons of God and the children of God) are going to be freed in the future into the same glorious freedom we will have in the future when we are unveiled. Doesn't that just give you goose bumps? Thank you Jesus!
One of the luxuries of being retired is having the time to pursue studying the Bible. After many weeks of intense study on the topics of Universal redemption and annihilation I must conclude that Jesus said or inferred on more occasions than not that most of us would be lost--that is, that only a few would make it through the narrow door, which is, of course, Jesus Himself. I know He said "If I be lifted up I will draw all men to Myself" but that doesn't make up for the two times He said "Many will take the broad road to destruction", "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord...", "The Good Shepherd Gives His Life (only) for His Sheep", "Unless you repent you will perish", etc. I think the word, "draw" implies maybe "attract" but certainly not draw as in irresistibly pull without power to resist. The bottom line is that Jesus warned more about missing the boat, then He did spreading sugar-coated niceties that everything was fine; that He had it all under control and we had nothing to worry about. In fact, we do have plenty to worry about and He didn't mince words letting us know on innumerable occasions.
The good news though, is that even if only a few find the way to heaven through the narrow door, we won't be suffering the torments of hell in the meantime. While we have debated innumerable times here about the three doctrines of eternal destiny, the overwhelming weight in terms of sheer numbers of verses falls to eternal destruction for the wicked. The Scriptures seem to heavily support soul-sleep until the final resurrection. It will be like precisely one second after those who are saved close their eyes in death they will awaken to the resurrection with new immortal bodies. The lost will later awaken in the same way to be thrown into the fire that destroys utterly. That is what the Scriptures indicate to me. If other feel differently I'd be interested in hearing your POV.
I see it like you. No UR but no millions of years of torment. The wages of sin is death. That will be accomplished by the lake of fire. Yeshua did teach very few will enter into life.
Rom 8:19-21 For the premonition of the creation is awaiting the unveiling of the sons of God. (20) For to
vanity was the creation subjected, not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation"
(21) that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of
the children of God."
We are the children of God. We are the sons of God. The creation which is currently in slavery of corruption of sin and death (which are those outside the sphere of the sons of God and the children of God) are going to be freed in the future into the same glorious freedom we will have in the future when we are unveiled. Doesn't that just give you goose bumps? Thank you Jesus!
I see it like you. No UR but no millions of years of torment. The wages of sin is death. That will be accomplished by the lake of fire. Yeshua did teach very few will enter into life.
1 Corinthians 15:25 is beyond John's Revelation and states that death will be abolished.
The wages of sin is death. That will be accomplished by the lake of fire
Some believe in eternal death and some believe in annihilation then. What is the difference as far as the soul is concerned?
God bless and peace.
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