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Here is something Interesting i found:
If Elaine Pagels is correct, then the Valentinians believed that those who only attained psychic salvation would ultimately attain pneumatic salvation at the end of the world. After they died, those who had only attained psychic redemption waited with the Demiurge until the end. Then they joined those who had pneumatic redemption for the "wedding feast of all the saved" and they "all become equal and mutually recognize one another" (Excerpts of Theodotus 63:2). Then they entered the Pleroma to be joined to an angel.
If this is correct then the only difference between psychic salvation and pneumatic salvation is a matter of timing. One could attain pneumatic salvation now by becoming a Valentinianor wait until the end to attain it. Despite its lower value than gnosis, pistis was decisive for salvation! - Faith (pistis) and Knowledge (gnosis) - Valentinus and the Valentinian Tradition
Sounds a lot like Universalism, doesn't it?...
Sounds like more of the same magical mumbo jumbo and magicadoola nonsense that has corrupted Christ's message of God's love for us all . . . to me. Christ accomplished the salvation. We have nothing to do with it . . . "pneumatically or psychically." We need sanctification through "love of God and each other" daily and repentance when we don't, period.
Sounds like more of the same magical mumbo jumbo and magicadoola nonsense that has corrupted Christ's message of God's love for us all . . . to me. Christ accomplished the salvation. We have nothing to do with it . . . "pneumatically or psychically." We need sanctification through "love of God and each other" daily and repentance when we don't, period.
The sorrow of God is being revealed from heaven, against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth.
Funny how what comes around goes around... like Satan just altering enough what God said to Adam and Eve. Every Bible version from Biblegateway does not say what you changed it to. 32 different Bible version (including the YLT ) has God's wrath\anger.
32 different versions proves just who think they're being clever in their own sight vs who is accuratly quoting God.
Romans 1:18 (KJ21) For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness,
Romans 1:18 (ASV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;
Romans 1:18 (AMP) For God’s [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative.
Romans 1:18 (CEB) God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodly behavior and the injustice of human beings who silence the truth with injustice.
Romans 1:18 (CJB) What is revealed is God’s anger from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people who in their wickedness keep suppressing the truth;
Romans 1:18 (CEV) From heaven God shows how angry he is with all the wicked and evil things that sinful people do to crush the truth.
Romans 1:18 (DARBY) For there is revealed wrath of God from heaven upon all impiety, and unrighteousness of men holding the truth in unrighteousness.
Romans 1:18 (DRA) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice:
Romans 1:18 (ERV) God shows his anger from heaven against all the evil and wrong things that people do. Their evil lives hide the truth they have
Romans 1:18 (ESV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
Romans 1:18 (ESVUK) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
Romans 1:18 (GW) God’s anger is revealed from heavenagainst every ungodly and immoral thing people do as they try to suppress the truth by their immoral living.
Romans 1:18 (GNT) God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known.
Romans 1:18 (HCSB) For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth,
Romans 1:18 (PHILLIPS) Now the holy anger of God is disclosed from Heaven against the godlessness and evil of those men who render truth dumb and inoperative by their wickedness. It is not that they do not know the truth about God;
Romans 1:18 (KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness
Romans 1:18 (LEB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all impiety and unrighteousness of people, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness
Romans 1:18 (MSG) But God's angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth. But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is!
Romans 1:18 (MOUNCE) For the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and the unrighteousness of those who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness,
Romans 1:18 (NASB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness
Romans 1:18 (NCV) God's anger is shown from heaven against all the evil and wrong things people do. By their own evil lives they hide the truth.
Romans 1:18 (NIRV) God shows his anger from heaven.It is against all the godless and evil things people do. They are so evil that they say no to the truth.
Romans 1:18 (NIV) The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
Romans 1:18 (NKJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Romans 1:18 (NLV) We see the anger of God coming down from heaven against all the sins of men. These sinful men keep the truth from being known.
Romans 1:18 (NLT) But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
Romans 1:18 (TNIV) The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of human beings who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
Romans 1:18 (WE) God is angry. He has shown it from heaven. He is angry because of all the bad and wrong things people do. These people hold back God's truth by the wrong things they do
Romans 1:18 (WYC) For the wrath of God is showed from heaven on all unpiety and wickedness of those men, that withhold the truth of God in unrightwiseness. [Forsooth the wrath of God is showed from heaven upon all unpiety and unrightwiseness of those men, that withhold, or hold aback, the truth of God in unrightwiseness.]
Romans 1:18 (YLT) for revealed is the wrath of God from heaven upon all impiety and unrighteousness of men, holding down the truth in unrighteousness.
If 32 verses aren't good enoughto show just how off you were last time ... what's one more that you've conjured up in your cleverness?
Twin what would be the point in bringing up 32 verses that clearly speak of the Love and grace of God being revealed from heaven, as far as you are concerned, for you believe wrath trumps both of them.
Twin what would be the point in bringing up 32 verses that clearly speak of the Love and grace of God being revealed from heaven, as far as you are concerned, for you believe wrath trumps both of them.
pcamps,
Are you that blind .... read just the bold.
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) has God's wrath\anger. 
