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How do you understand death if you have never seen anybody die, and even though you have seen people die you still don't trully understand death. We don't really know what happens after someone dies. Until you have experienced it for yourself, you will never truly understand. When God has set life before us and death before us only then can we truly understand and appreciate life. Ultimately he want's us to understand the truth. God is building a perfect creature. A creature tested by the fire, for we have experienced it all and so we know all, as he does. This is love.
Agree. Everyone saw the work of God when He was healed and glorified God for this. They would not have seen this miraculous healing and glorified God for this if the man had not been born blind. The Father was doing His works through Jesus to show who Jesus was. God used this to show the people that Jesus was who He said He was. God bless and peace.
How do you understand death if you have never seen anybody die, and even though you have seen people die you still don't trully understand death. We don't really know what happens after someone dies. Until you have experienced it for yourself, you will never truly understand. When God has set life before us and death before us only then can we truly understand and appreciate life. Ultimately he want's us to understand the truth. God is building a perfect creature. A creature tested by the fire, for we have experienced it all and so we know all as he does. This is love.
You are scraping the barrel cimaroon.
Our consciences bear witness to what is good, scripture is absolutely clear on this. Jesus did not teach us to know evil that we might know what is good, He taught us to learn of Him, He taught us to know God. Faith looks upon nothing but God.
I see that you felt the need to correct me in the above quote only thing is you never understood what I said....couldn't it be the same way with God's word?
I said
God is good and some of His works are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance.
I never meant some of his works are love while others are hate
What I was saying is that these are some of his works. Some of his works are also mercy, patience etc.
You have also said God works sin in us hence my ALL (not some).
Was the tree of knowledge of good and evil a good tree or a bad tree. I would say it was a bad tree because Adam and Eve died after eating of its fruit. Who put the tree there? Who made that tree?
Who made the devil?
Good tree, the tree if figuative of the law not a real tree.
God said he created the good and the evil Isaiah 45:7
God said he has set before us good and evil Deuteronomy 30:15
the opposite of light is darkness and the opposite of good is evil.
I have never heard anyone say good or calamity. We say good or evil
God said evil...but you want to make it calamity.
God can make anything he wants...He made the devil? The devil is evil. The devil did not make himself evil, God made him evil. Nothing was made unless God made it. Nothing! Everything was made by him.
I guess this verse isn't true either...were does it end! John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
No scripture says God made the devil.
And niether Jesus nor us need to sin and commit evil acts to understand sin and evil. Jesus proved that.
Being blind isn't good but God makes people blind..they aren't willingly blind... what you are not seeing is ultimately God's creation is good but he has set evil before us so we can understand good. It is for a purpose and it is for his glory.
John 9:1-3
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
What eventually happened to the man...he was healed of his blindness...God's work was manifest in him.
Notice he was born blind...he did not become blind.
ever heard of a hina clause? Hina can be translated as a purpose or a command.
If you use a command clause for hina in that scripture it changes the meaning.
Translation are suppose to be made in connection with the surrounding scriptures not on the basis of a bias towards what one believes.
In fairness to the translators it was believed that hina was always used to express a purpose but today we know that is not the case. It can also be used to express a command.
When we take in the surrounding scriptures it is clear that hina here should have been translated as a command and not a purpose.
The Jews had just finished saying Jesus had a devil. Then we see the disciples asking Jesus why the man was born blind. Did he sin or did his parents sin? Jesus answered and said neither.
That neither was the answer to their question.
What then transpired was Jesus giving a command that the works of God be displayed through the healing of the blind man.
It should have been translated something like this
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: Let the works of God be made manifest in him.
Jesus then goes on to say
I must work the works of him that sent me
What is the purpose for Jesus coming? It was so that He might destroy the works of the devil.
Now remember the Jews had just finished accusing Jesus of having a devil and if you read the rest of the story. Even though Jesus did the works of God (destroying the works of the devil i.e. The mans blindness) they refused to believe on Him.
Basically what Jesus was saying neither this man or his parents sinned was the cause of the man blindness, now stand still and see the salvation of God. And He opened the eyes of the blind man.
Our consciences bear witness to what is good, scripture is absolutely clear on this. Jesus did not teach us to know evil that we might know what is good, He taught us to learn of Him, He taught us to know God. Faith looks upon nothing but God.
Sorry, Cimaroon, I knew that I said that I wouldn't participate, but sometimes I can't help it . God bless and peace.
No need to apologize, God makes us speak when he wants us to speak, and whatever is said is for a purpose. I trust him and I thank him for your insight!
God Bless!
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God bless and peace.
