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Old 05-03-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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That wasn't an answer to the question, so here it is again:

Why would God torture you for believing in Him, or for believing that His love is powerful enough to save all people?


That was your concern ... you kept saying that if you believe God will save everyone and that isn't true, then you will be condemned to eternal hell. Why? Why do you think God would condemn you to eternal torment for believing in Him and in His love?
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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That wasn't an answer to the question, so here it is again:

Why would God torture you for believing in Him, or for believing that His love is powerful enough to save all people?


That was your concern ... you kept saying that if you believe God will save everyone and that isn't true, then you will be condemned to eternal hell. Why? Why do you think God would condemn you to eternal torment for believing in Him and in His love?
I don't. If what you say is true, coast is clear. If not, I'm condemned.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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Which part of Romans 9 addresses my argument?
That God is God, and you are you. Don't try to swap roles.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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I don't. If what you say is true, coast is clear. If not, I'm condemned.
You don't what? Believe in God?
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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You don't what? Believe in God?
Why do my beliefs or lack thereof have any bearing of what you're saying? It doesn't take away from the absurdity of universalism. But really (not hypothetically since the whole world can read your words), if there were a covenant made between God and man, and man broke this covenant by his actions or lack of faith, your claims call for the all clear as far as their condemnation. If you're wrong, they will stand condemned at judgement. I would think long and hard before spewing off some nonsense that would possibly lead to their eternal damnation. Don't you? It was certainly the warning in Jeremiah 6:

13 For from the least to the greatest of them,
everyone is greedy for unjust gain;
and from prophet to priest,
everyone deals falsely.


HOW??

14 They have healed the wound of my people lightly,
saying, ‘Peace, peace,’
when there is no peace.

15 Were they ashamed when they committed abomination?
No, they were not at all ashamed;
they did not know how to blush.
Therefore they shall fall among those who fall;
at the time that I punish them, they shall be overthrown,”
says the Lord.
16 Thus says the Lord:
“Stand by the roads, and look,
and ask for the ancient paths,
where the good way is; and walk in it,
and find rest for your souls.
But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’
17 I set watchmen over you, saying,
‘Pay attention to the sound of the trumpet!’
But they said, ‘We will not pay attention.’

18 Therefore hear, O nations,
and know, O congregation, what will happen to them.
19 Hear, O earth; behold, I am bringing disaster upon this people,
the fruit of their devices,
because they have not paid attention to my words;
and as for my law, they have rejected it.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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I would think long and hard before spewing off some nonsense that would possibly lead to their eternal damnation.
Etymology of the Word "Damn"
Etymology of the Word "Damn"
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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Etymology of the Word "Damn"
Etymology of the Word "Damn"
Etymology of the word Rodger:
Roger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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Why do my beliefs or lack thereof have any bearing of what you're saying? It doesn't take away from the absurdity of universalism. But really (not hypothetically since the whole world can read your words), if there were a covenant made between God and man, and man broke this covenant by his actions or lack of faith, your claims call for the all clear as far as their condemnation. If you're wrong, they will stand condemned at judgement. I would think long and hard before spewing off some nonsense that would possibly lead to their eternal damnation. Don't you?
Hey chuck, you're the one that kept saying you wanted a guarantee from me that if you believed God would save all people then you wouldn't go to eternal hell.


So, I'm asking you why believing in God or believing that God will save all people would cause God to condemn you to eternal torment?
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Etymology of the word Rodger:
Roger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Etymology of the Word "Damn"
The words "damn" and "Hell" are among favorite words spoken by theologians of the "hell-fire" type.
Let us look into the etymology of this word "damn." We may find some interesting surprises.
Etymology of the Word "Damn"

"In conclusion, it is time for many preachers to stop blaspheming our Father. When they say that hordes of humanity are "damned to hell," they themselves are actually guilty of misrepresenting the Creator's role as Judge. The Scriptures declare that the earth will learn righteousness when His judgments are in the earth. It is we, who call ourselves Christians, who need to clean up our mouths and hearts far more than the unbeliever drowning his miseries at the local bar."
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Hey chuck, you're the one that kept saying you wanted a guarantee from me that if you believed God would save all people then you wouldn't go to eternal hell.


So, I'm asking you why believing in God or believing that God will save all people would cause God to condemn you to eternal torment?
No I didn't.
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