The Eventual Restoration of All (blood, salvation, faith, spiritual)

[simpleton]

Originally Posted by firstborn888

Let me say I appreciate the tone these

No 'throwaways'. Zero - none. We ALL like sheep have gone astray. We have ALL become unprofitable and cannot seek/know on our own.

That's it in a nutshell. Wanted to add though that all who take refuge in him need not fear condemnation.

I'm not really a Calvinist per say, but I think the total depravity is essentially based on Romans 3:10(which actually references an earlier Isaiah verse)

[cg81]

Originally Posted by firstborn888

Something that is valuable and precious no matter how calloused over, how seared the conscience, how demonized the person is. So man (IMO) is more than just a worthless damned creature with just a 'chance' to make the right choice.

No 'throwaways'. Zero - none. We ALL like sheep have gone astray. We have ALL become unprofitable and cannot seek/know on our own.

To me this is a basic foundational clash of concepts between myself and many in mainstream Christianity. I don't believe in throwaway trash people. Maybe you do - and that's fine, but I believe (actually - I know) that the concept is not 'who man is'.

I agree with most of your points, and these points in particular. Everyone is valuable in God's sight, and He will do His part on keeping His end of the deal.

[cg81]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

Guess we can have some cyber tennis fun

The Father must will it (John 5:21-22) and draw the person (John 6:44)

http://www.instigatorblog.com/images/tennis_serve.jpg (broken link)

His will is that all be saved, and come to know the truth (1 Tim 2:4) but not all are willing to repent, that their sins may be blotted out. (Acts 3:19)

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by cg81

His will is that all be saved, and come to know the truth (1 Tim 2:4) but not all are willing to repent, that their sins may be blotted out. (Acts 3:19)

Net

when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Act 3:20 And He shall send Jesus Christ, who before was proclaimed to you

Still comes from Christ, still something He has to do IMO.

2nd Service

[cg81]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

Net

when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Act 3:20 And He shall send Jesus Christ, who before was proclaimed to you

Still comes from Christ, still something He has to do IMO.

2nd Service

Christ has already done it. He gave Himself for us, to redeem us from sin.. and the saved are set apart and identified by their works or fruit. Titus 2:14

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by cg81

Christ has already done it. He gave Himself for us, to redeem us from sin.. and the saved are set apart and identified by their works or fruit. Titus 2:14

No fair I agree with Titus 2:14 but maybe not the way you do.

Is that a double foul? Time out for sleep, we can resume play in the morning.

Blessings

[Birdy_56]

The Golden Chain Of Reconciliation

Will Jesus Christ really do what He has come to do? Or will He fail?

The grandeur of our Father's Plan commences at creation when all things were created by, and in, the Christ, the Logos/Word, who reconciles (in fact re-creates) all things unto God. Col. 1:16-20

Hence His work is the restitution of all things-- Acts 3:21

He is heir of all things-- Heb. 1:21

In Him all nations are to be blessed-- Gal. 3:8

For the Father has given Him authority over all flesh, to give to whatsoever was given to Him eternal life-- John 17:2

And so; all flesh shall see the salvation of God. Luke 3:6

For God, whose counsel is immutable-- Heb. 6:17

Whose attitude to His enemies is unchanging-- Luke 6: 27-35

Will have all men to be saved-- 1 Tim. 2:4

And come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

Has shut all mankind up unto unbelief, in order that He may show mercy upon all-- Romans 9:31

For out of Him, as Source, and unto, or into Him, as End, are all things whatsover-- Romans 11:36

And He has, therefore, put all things in subjection under Christ's feet. Eph. 1:21

Therefore, we are assured that God will gather into one all things in Christ-- Eph. 1:19

And His grace comes upon all men unto justification of life-- Romans 5:18
So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands-- John 13:3

Promises by His cross to draw all men unto Himself. John 12:32

For having, as stated, received all things from the Father-- John 3:35

All that was given comes to Him; and He loses none-- John 6:37-39

But if any stray, goes after that which is lost till He find it-- Luke 15:4

And so makes all things new. Rev. 21:5

He comes in order that all men may believe-- John 1:17

That the world through Him, may be saved-- John 3:17

His grace brings salvation to all men-- Titus 2:11

For He takes away the sin of the world-- John 1:29

Gives His flesh for its life-- John 16:51

And, because the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (are irrevocable)-- Romans 9:29

He gives life to the world-- John 6:33

Is the Light of the world-- John 8:12

Is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world-- 1 John 2:2

Is the Saviour of all men-- 1 Tim. 4:10

Destroys the works of the devil, not just some of them only-- 1 John 3:8

And the devil himself-- Hebr. 2:14

Abolishes death-- 2 Timothy 1:10

Is manifested to put away sin-- Heb. 9:26

And thus subduing all things unto Himself-- Phil. 3:21

*** (The subjection clearly shows this subjugation to be conformity to Himself)

Does not forget the dead, but takes the Gospel to hades-- 1 Peter 3:19

Of which He holds the keys-- Rev. 1:18

For He is the same Saviour forever-- Hebr. 13:8

Thus even the dead are evangelized-- 1 Peter 4:6

And death and hades destroyed-- Rev. 20:14

Thus all are made alive in Him-- 1 Cor. 15:22

For Christ finishes/ completes His work-- John 17:4...John 19:30

Restores all things-- Acts 3:21

And there is no more curse-- Rev. 22:2,3

But every knee of things in heaven and earth, and under the earth, bends to Him-- Phil. 3:10

For the creation is delivered from the bondage of corruption-- Romans 8:21

And every creature joins in the song of praise-- Rev. 5:13

And so comes the END when He delivers up the Kingdom to God, Who is then ALL in ALL.-- 1 Cor. 15: 24-28

Hail To The Lord's Anointed

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[Birdy_56]

I Believe In The Restitution Of All Things

Through the Son God made the whole universe, and to the Son he has ordained that all creation shall ultimately belong.

He has made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one head in Him. And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will.

Dr. Arthur Tappan Pierson -The Bible & Spiritual Life-

"This view (Restitution of All) is so clearly scriptural that the only surprise is that it has not been more definitely and widely held. It adds immeasurably, both to the glory of Christ as the coming King, and the Father as the former and framer of the ages. It is the period typified by the eighth day of the Mosaic Code: the perfect glory of Christ, reserved for 'the morrow after.' The millennial 'Sabbath.' And while the millenial period is limited to a thousand years, there are no definite limits to this final age of glory."

-Dr. P. B. Fitzwater- (Professor of Systematic Theology- Moody Bible Institute) Christian Theology P. 407

Then there is the Universalist who declares that the redemption provided by Christ avails for the salvation of all men. This means that what God has done for the salvation of sinful men accrues to the benefit of all men. This view of Universalism is quite widespread. Many leaders in the evangelical church hold to this view, even though they have not dared to declare it.

From the Lutheran ELCA website......

The Christian hope for salvation, whether for the believing few or the unbelieving many, is grounded in the person and meaning of Christ alone, not in the potential of the world's religions to save, nor in the moral seriousness of humanists and people of good will, not even in the good works of pious Christians and church people. ... There is a universalist thrust in the New Testament, particularly in Paul's theology. How else can we read passages such as 'for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ' (1 Cor 15:22)?" (See also Colossians 1:15-20, Ephesians 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians 15:28.) -Carl Braaten-

The universal scope of salvation in Christ

ELCA Lutherans will say with Braaten,

"Salvation in the New Testament is what God has done to death in the resurrection of Jesus. Salvation is what God has in store for you and me and the whole world in spite of death, solely on account of the living risen Christ.

... The universal scope of salvation in Christ includes the destiny of our bodies together with the whole earth and the whole of creation. This cosmic hope is based on the promise of eternal life sealed by the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. Through raising Jesus from the dead, God put death to death, overcoming the deadliest enemy of life at loose in the world. This hope for the final salvation of humanity and the eternal universal restitution of all things in heaven and on earth ... is drawn from the unlimited promise of the Gospel and the magnitude of God's grace made known to the world through Christ."

Search Results:

A Survey of Bible Doctrine" by Charles Ryrie, Professor of Systematic Theology: Dallas Theological Seminary.

In the section on future things, he dismisses the Restitution of all things which he refers to as "Classic Universalism" as unbiblical.

However

In his K.J.V. Ryrie Study Bible, which was published a few years after his doctrine book, he says a very interesting thing in his footnote on Colossians 1:20

Col 1:20 .... to reconcile all things unto himself. Christ is the remedy for alienation from God, and eventually all things will be changed and brought into a unity in Him, even though this will involve judgment.

Christ Triumphant by Rev. Thomas Allin

TLC - Download File, "Christ Triumphant", by Thomas Allin

The Mystery Hid From Ages & Generation - Rev. Charles Chauncy-

HERE

Who Is Charles Chauncy?

HERE

The Second Death & The Restitution Of All Things -Andrew Jukes-

The Restitution of All Things

[ShanaBrown]

Thanks for sharing, Birdy! God bless.

[spm62]

God is beginning to open the the eyes of a lot of people. Draw them back to the original gospel(good news) that has been changed over the centuries. I copied the following from an article on tentmaker:

Is Billy Graham A Closet Universalist?
By Gary Amirault

The reader would be surprised to discover how many Christian leaders abandon their faith in what they once believed as young zealot Christians. It is much like war - young men who think they will never die are quick to sign up for a war dreaming of the great glory they might receive from it. But the grandfathers, those who have seen the ravages of war -- they know that the promised glory coming from killing other men, women and children is not all it is cracked up to be by the propagandists. The closer one gets to the grave, the less judgmental one often becomes and the more one is willing one to extend mercy rather than judgment. So too, with many "men of the cloth."

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Is Billy Graham A Closet Universalist?