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Old 11-16-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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Everyone’s body eventually turns into dust.

Adam and Eve had souls, no?

Did their souls cease to exist?
Adam did not have a soul, he became a soul.


ASV Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



The soul dies.


ASV Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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Mortal Adam and Eve were only offered everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical Earth if they did Not break God's Law.
As Genesis 3:19 says they ' returned ' to the dust of the ground.
So, they went back to where they started the dust of the ground.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
Mortal Adam went from Non-life, to life, and returned back to Non-life.(non-existence)
No post-mortem bliss and No post-mortem pain.

Also, please keep in mind there is a BIG difference between a religious-myth hell teaching and biblical hell.
Can anyone think of anyone righteous who went to hell the day he died ________
I find at Acts 2:27 that righteous Jesus went to biblical hell the day he died.
Since Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach ' sleep ' in death - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5, then the dead know nothing, Nothing but sleep. Adam and Eve know nothing and are non-existent.
For us the resurrection hope is for us - Revelation 1:18
Yep.
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:42 PM
 
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Scripture?
Show me scripture that states that they do have free will...
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:46 PM
 
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KJV Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,... 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The New Testament has nothing to do with the Tanakh...It’s a different book...It’s a collection of letters and therefore not scripture...Show me something from the Tanakh otherwise it is just a made up fictitious story...
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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It seems to me you are disagreeing with James 1:13-15.
Those verses say that each is drawn out by his own desire. ( action preceded by thoughts )
Satan desires us humans to worship him by his own lustful desire. - Ezekiel 28:14-17
Ezekiel 28 has nothing to do with Satan and nowhere in the Tanakh does it state that Satan wanted worship...Ezekiel is talking about a human ruler...
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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Lack of understanding and actually reading all the Bible, leads to conclusions like this.
I’ve read all the Bible. I’m being generous.
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Come on Richard; What's with all the drive-by "nopes"? The only thing you've said beyond 'noping' everyone else is, "Satan is an angel of God who works for God" --

True, Satan was created as an angel of God, but, along with a third of his demonic angels was cast down from heaven. "Knowing his time is short, and that he will soon be cast into the eternal lake of fire, Satan is exceedingly angry. The suggestion that he "works for God" is misleading and unverified. While Satan has no authority over God and is not equal with God, he is part of God's eternal plan. However, "works for God" suggests his lies, deception and evil ways are of God.
Show me in the Tanakh where Satan led a third of the angels in rebellion....Fact is, Satan is not evil nor the enemy of G-d...Look at Job...
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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You got it.
And this proves how uneducated you are in the Bible...
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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And he is God's enemy as we see in the case of Lot.
Lot???...What’s he got to do with it?...
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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The New Testament has nothing to do with the Tanakh...It’s a different book...It’s a collection of letters and therefore not scripture...Show me something from the Tanakh otherwise it is just a made up fictitious story...
That is your opinion. But try:


KJV Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.



It is plain.


From the TWOT:

´¹‰¹n. Adversary, one who withstands, Satan. The nominal from ´¹‰¹n identifies Solomon's adversaries (1Kings 11:14, 23, 25; cf. 1Kings 5:4; 1Sam 29:4). David spoke of his vengeful officer Abishai as a ´¹‰¹n (2Sam 19:22 [H 23]). Indeed, the pre-incarnate Christ, or Angel of Yahweh might be described or even identify himself as a s¹‰¹n, when opposing Balaam (Num 22:22, 32).

Throughout history mankind's preeminent opponent has been Satan, "that old serpent" (Rev 12:9). He is a mighty angel (cf. his appearance with other "sons of God" in Job 1:6; Jude 1:9). [Whether Satan was also a cherub depends on one's interpretation of Ezek 28:12-16. These verses condemn the king of Tyre, but go beyond him by comparing him to a figure of perfection who was in Eden, who was created holy and later fell. The figures of both Adam and Satan have been proposed for the person intended.

Three lines of evidence support the identification of this king with Satan: 1) Ezekiel may have intended to contrast the prince of Tyre (Ezek 28:1-10) with the king of Tyre (Ezek 28:11-19). Whereas the prince is a man aspiring to deity and heaven, the king is a heavenly being cast out of heaven. 2) The god of Tyre at this time is malkart, meaning "king of the city, " so that would be the king of Tyre. 3) The apostle Paul identifies Satan's sin with pride (1Tim 3:6), the sin of this king (v. 17). This may be the only passage in the OT from which he could have derived this truth.


Bibliography: Kluger, Rivkahs., Satan in the OT, Northwestern University, 1967. Payne, J. B., Theology of the Older Testament, Zondervan, 1971, pp. 291-95. Hiebert, D. E., "Satan, " in ZPEB, V, pp. 282-86. J.B.P.
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