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Old 10-13-2008, 02:19 PM
 
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Thoughts?
Yes they are. But not in the way you think about marriage, as in a carnal sense.
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Old 10-13-2008, 02:37 PM
 
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If it is as I suspect, that is a "world' of perfect love, there would be no need for "special" relationships.
That's it!
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:52 PM
 
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Shana and Nero are correct: Adam and Eve are not married in heaven, and neither is anyone else. Jesus himself said so...

That's only in the ressurection.


Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Those that are married are forever married...


godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:32 PM
 
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That's only in the ressurection.


Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Those that are married are forever married...


godspeed,

freedom
But the woman of the parable was married to seven different men and Jesus didn't answer the question according to your belief. If she died and was resurrected along with the other seven men, then whose wife would she be? She can't still be married to all seven for eternity can she?
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:52 PM
 
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But the woman of the parable was married to seven different men and Jesus didn't answer the question according to your belief. If she died and was resurrected along with the other seven men, then whose wife would she be? She can't still be married to all seven for eternity can she?
Which still doesnt change the fact that Jesus didn't answer the question according to your belief either.The given verse clearly states that no one will 'get' married after death and leaves entirely open what the relationship of those 'already married' will be in the afterlife.I currently lean toward freedoms position but i'm open to opposing arguments.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:11 PM
 
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But the woman of the parable was married to seven different men and Jesus didn't answer the question according to your belief. If she died and was resurrected along with the other seven men, then whose wife would she be? She can't still be married to all seven for eternity can she?
Jesus was pointing out that fornication was acting as married. There is nuance to the recorded discussion at the well.

Jhn 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.


Jhn 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:


Jhn 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-14-2008, 03:45 AM
 
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Jesus was pointing out that fornication was acting as married. There is nuance to the recorded discussion at the well.

Jhn 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.


Jhn 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:


Jhn 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

godspeed,

freedom
I can certainly see how Jesus did use the term husband at the well in a not literal sense. However, I'm not sure I'm following you in how this applies to the hypothetical situation posed by the sadducees with the woman and 7 brothers. She was married according to the law of Moses. A law that though temporary in nature (as it was eventually fulfilled by Christ), "a schoolmaster," was still given by God. Are you saying that Jesus was saying this situation was fornication, or comparing it to fornication?

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Old 10-14-2008, 03:50 AM
 
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An interesting theory, I will give you that; however, your post really invites even more questions to be asked. Yes, Adam and Eve were immortal when they were married by God and that would suggest that they should be married for eternity; none of us really know, it is simply how we are able to interpret the Scripture. But, what about marriages under the New Covenant; we no longer live under the Law but live by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit. Would a marriage now be eternal? We are all mortal, but the God who formed the Law then is the same God who formed the New Covenant now; we are all mortal which suggests that we might not have eternal marriage, even if Adam and Eve does.
Like the rest of us, I certainly don't know everything... it would seem that approaching this question might need to first focus on the nature of death though. After all... isn't death a major part of what defines mortality?

Adam and Eve were married while immortal by God Himself, so the implication would be that the intent was an eternal marriage. However, after they partook of the fruit, they fell. Death entered the world. They became mortal. Would physical death then have annulled the marriage which was initiated by God? If so... why? If not... why not?

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Old 10-14-2008, 04:32 AM
 
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Like the rest of us, I certainly don't know everything... it would seem that addressing this question might need to first focus on the nature of death though. After all... isn't physical death a major part of what defines mortality?

Adam and Eve were married while immortal by God Himself, so the implication would be that the intent was an eternal marriage. However, after they partook of the fruit, they fell. Death entered the world. They became mortal. Would physical death then have annulled the marriage which was initiated by God? If so... why? If not... why not?

The body of Christ is the bride. When we are with Christ there is no other marriage. The intitution of marriage was formed by God for us on earth to understand the marriage of Christ and his bride the Church. So, the earthly thing will pass away. But the things of Christ are eternal.
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:32 AM
 
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Jesus was pointing out that fornication was acting as married. There is nuance to the recorded discussion at the well.

Jhn 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.


Jhn 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:


Jhn 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

godspeed,

freedom
Yes, He did make a correlation, but it still leaves us both to interpreting how marriage will be in the endtime. I believe that Harris was right in saying we need to study and evaluate death and mortality as these are obvious factors in determining marriage in the afterlife. Until then, I agree with Nikk about marriage being a symbol of the relationship with Christ that we all are suppose to share. I can't really think of the verse right now, but isn't there somewhere in Scripture where Paul says "that as a man is the head of his wife, so is Christ the head of the Church". I've always interpreted this verse to mean what Nikk said. When we die, the relationship with Christ would be the real marriage and all others would be considered null and void. But I am open to the other argument, if we can find some Scripture that can give a more direct answer.
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