More culturally black city/metro: Chicago or New York City (crime, taxes)

[KoNgFooCj]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

I wouldn’t go that far...

What some may not be considering is that Brooklyn by itself is similar to Chicago in population and has a slightly higher black percentage. Parts of the borough like Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brownsville, Crown Heights, Canarsie, Flatlands, East New York and adjacent parts of Flatbush, Clinton Hill and Fort Greene are predominantly or pluralistically more black and are pretty connected. So, Brooklyn by itself could be compared to the city of Chicago.

Then, when looking outside of the cities, southern suburbs, some places north of the city and parts of NW Indiana is generally where you see higher concentrations/percentages in the Chicago area. In the NYC area, such places are more spread out and can be found in just about every county in the area like Spring Valley in Rockland County, Mount Vernon in Westchester County, many of the places in NE NJ(Newark, Irvington, the Oranges, Englewood, etc.) and Long Island(Hempstead, Elmont, North Valley Stream, Wyandanch, Wheatley Heights, North Amityville, etc.), among others. So, the impact is likely to be felt differently in that regard.

Yeah I definitely wouldn't take Chicago's overwhelming lead in the poll too seriously. Even if Chicago is blacker, it definitely isn't by that much.

[KoNgFooCj]

Originally Posted by mwalker96

NYC black culture has definitely influenced American pop culture in the past few decades especially recently with the word lit being a defining slang word for generation z. Hip hop has been a strong force from NY as a black art form. Chicago still has influence with the word thot being nationwide but most Black people view Chicago as Chi-raq. NYC and ATL are the two dominant players in Black Culture and in youth culture in general.

New York and Philly were the only cities developing Hip Hop until around 1983 or so. They both had Hip Hop radio stations in the late 70s. Just recently I was surprised to find that Chicago didn't have a Hip Hop scene until the early/mid 90s. I guess Twista and Common were the first Chicago rappers, or at least the first to be signed.

[mas23]

Originally Posted by mwalker96

NYC black culture has definitely influenced American pop culture in the past few decades especially recently with the word lit being a defining slang word for generation z. Hip hop has been a strong force from NY as a black art form. Chicago still has influence with the word thot being nationwide but most Black people view Chicago as Chi-raq. NYC and ATL are the two dominant players in Black Culture and in youth culture in general.

Ny created hiphop so by default they're the most influential city

But I can argue that Chicago has been much more influential than NYC in the past 15 years

[mas23]

Originally Posted by KoNgFooCj

New York and Philly were the only cities developing Hip Hop until around 1983 or so. They both had Hip Hop radio stations in the late 70s. Just recently I was surprised to find that Chicago didn't have a Hip Hop scene until the early/mid 90s. I guess Twista and Common were the first Chicago rappers, or at least the first to be signed.

That's bc house music was king.

Infact most of the earliest rappers from Chicago were hiphouse rappers

[iLoveFashion]

African american - Chicago

Black people - NYC

NYC is home to many large black communities throughout the diaspora. African American, Jamaica, Haiti, Trinidad, Guyana, Senegal, Ghana, Panama etc.

Chicago’s black community is pretty much virtually all African American.

When it comes to Black American maybe a Chicago vs Detroit, Philly or Baltimore thread would make sense.

When it comes to diaspora black people NYC, DC, Miami are in their own category here.

[innocentIpromise]

Chicago definitely has/had a more influential black community than New York (i.e. Johnson Publications, Rainbow Push headquarters, birthplace of the Defender, President Obama roots).

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by innocentIpromise

Chicago definitely has/had a more influential black community than New York (i.e. Johnson Publications, Rainbow Push headquarters, birthplace of the Defender, President Obama roots).

Versus Hip Hop, the Harlem Renaissance, Wall Street(check who built it), where the NAACP started, Urban League HQ's, etc. for NYC. Again, this isn't as cut and dry as some may think.

[Enean]

Originally Posted by iLoveFashion

African american - Chicago

Black people - NYC

NYC is home to many large black communities throughout the diaspora. African American, Jamaica, Haiti, Trinidad, Guyana, Senegal, Ghana, Panama etc.

Chicago’s black community is pretty much virtually all African American.

When it comes to Black American maybe a Chicago vs Detroit, Philly or Baltimore thread would make sense.

When it comes to diaspora black people NYC, DC, Miami are in their own category here.

What is your source for claiming that all of Chicago's Blacks are African American. Please share.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by Enean

What is your source for claiming that all of Chicago's Blacks are African American. Please share.

Well, its certainly much more African American than your average large black community.

Total Black Population:

NYC: 3,174,597
Chicago: 1,554,997

These are the largest foreign born African Communities. These numbers do not include their children, only the immigrants themselves:

Africa Total
1. NYC MSA: 257,372 people
2. DC MSA: 202,823 people
3. Dallas MSA: 91,039 people
4. Minneapolis MSA: 87,673 people
5. Atlanta MSA: 87,211 people
6. Houston MSA: 82,623 people
7. Boston MSA: 76,602 people
8. Los Angeles MSA: 73,601 people
9. Philadelphia MSA: 58,203 people
10. Chicago MSA: 55,657 people
11. Seattle MSA: 50,039 people
12. Baltimore MSA: 40,185 people
13. Columbus, OH MSA: 37,773 people
14. San Francisco MSA: 31,727 people
15. Denver MSA: 26,308 people

Here are some numbers from countries that are majority or nearly majority black:

Trinidad and Tobago
1. NYC MSA: 107,666 people
2. Miami MSA: 21,244 people
3. DC MSA: 10,749 people
4. Orlando MSA: 8778 people
5. Houston MSA: 6391 people
6. Baltimore MSA: 6268 people
7. Atlanta MSA: 6027 people
8. Philadelphia MSA: 5955 people
9. Boston MSA: 5715 people
10. Tampa MSA: 4517 people
11. Los Angeles MSA: 3045 people
12. Dallas MSA: 2120 people
13. Palm Bay, FL MSA: 1575 people
14. Chicago MSA: 1123 people
15. Hartford, CT MSA: 1110 people

West Indies (Anguilla, St. Kitts & Nevis, Antiqua and Barbuda, Curacao, etc)
1. NYC MSA: 13,501 people
2. Atlanta MSA: 1225 people
3. Miami MSA: 1071 people
4. DC MSA: 846 people
5. Orlando MSA: 786 people
6. Boston MSA: 768 people
7. Houston MSA: 679 people
8. Tampa MSA: 677 people
9. Ocala, FL MSA: 526 people
10. Hartford, CT MSA: 517 people
11. Philadelphia MSA: 431 people
12. Chicago MSA: 383 people
13. Dallas MSA: 380 people
14. Los Angeles MSA: 329 people
15. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 297 people

St. Vincent and the Grenadines
1. NYC MSA: 15,083 people
2. Orlando MSA: 768 people
3. Philadelphia MSA: 760 people
4. Miami MSA: 739 people
5. Atlanta MSA: 555 people
6. DC MSA: 410 people
7. Boston MSA: 336 people
8. Baltimore MSA: 295 people
9T. Houston MSA: 169 people
9T. Tampa MSA: 169 people
11. Los Angeles MSA: 168 people
12. San Francisco MSA: 154 people
13. Hartford, CT MSA: 131 people
14. Charlotte MSA: 121 people
15. Syracuse, NY MSA: 112 people

Jamaica
1. NYC MSA: 260,114 people
2. Miami MSA: 139,330 people
3. Atlanta MSA: 34,217 people
4. Orlando MSA: 22,650 people
5. DC MSA: 22,170 people
6. Philadelphia MSA: 20,001 people
7. Hartford, CT MSA: 18,555 people
8. Boston MSA: 13,492 people
9. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 12,014 people
10. Tampa MSA: 10,794 people
11. Baltimore MSA: 8460 people
12. Chicago MSA: 6979 people
13. Port St. Lucie, FL MSA: 6883 people
14. Houston MSA: 6477 people
15. Los Angeles MSA: 6229 people

Haiti
1. Miami MSA: 223,027 people
2. NYC MSA: 165,422 people
3. Boston MSA: 48,391 people
4. Orlando MSA: 35,999 people
5. Philadelphia MSA: 14,028 people
6. Atlanta MSA: 11,467 people
7. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 9943 people
8. Naples, FL MSA: 9813 people
9. Tampa MSA: 8768 people
10. Cape Coral, FL MSA: 7748 people
11. Port St. Lucie, FL MSA: 7313 people
12. DC MSA: 6125 people
13. Lakeland, FL MSA: 5198 people
14. Providence MSA: 4923 people
15. Chicago MSA: 4307 people

Grenada
1. NYC MSA: 22,644 people
2. DC MSA: 1517 people
3. Miami MSA: 1429 people
4. Atlanta MSA: 828 people
5. Orlando MSA: 727 people
6. Houston MSA: 610 people
7. Baltimore MSA: 462 people
8. Boston MSA: 409 people
9. Philadelphia MSA: 314 people
10. Tampa MSA: 294 people
11. Dallas MSA: 227 people
12. Los Angeles MSA: 178 people
13. Indianapolis MSA: 164 people
14. San Francisco MSA: 145 people
15. Wichita Falls, TX MSA: 144 people

Dominica
1. NYC MSA: 12,020 people
2. Miami MSA: 3574 people
3. Boston MSA: 2015 people
4. Orlando MSA: 1314 people
5. Tampa MSA: 994 people
6. Houston MSA: 860 people
7. DC MSA: 757 people
8. Philadelphia MSA: 678 people
9. Providence MSA: 589 people
10. Atlanta MSA: 550 people
11. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 506 people
12. Dallas MSA: 337 people
13. New Haven, CT MSA: 330 people
14. Hartford, CT MSA: 322 people
15. Norwich, CT MSA: 269 people

Barbados
1. NYC MSA: 27,849 people
2. Boston MSA: 3593 people
3. Miami MSA: 2937 people
4. Philadelphia MSA: 1953 people
5. Atlanta MSA: 1785 people
6. Orlando MSA: 1221 people
7. DC MSA: 1044 people
8. Baltimore MSA: 703 people
9. Tampa MSA: 677 people
10. Hartford, CT MSA: 595 people
11. Houston MSA: 577 people
12. Dallas MSA: 576 people
13. Los Angeles MSA: 501 people
14. Springfield, MA MSA: 460 people
15. Virginia Beach, VA MSA: 384 people

Belize
1. Los Angeles MSA: 14,107 people
2. NYC MSA: 8934 people
3. Chicago MSA: 4005 people
4. Miami MSA: 2206 people
5. Houston MSA: 1868 people
6. Riverside, CA MSA: 1731 people
7. Dallas MSA: 1186 people
8. Las Vegas MSA: 770 people
9. Tampa MSA: 745 people
10. DC MSA: 647 people
11. San Francisco MSA: 560 people
12. Atlanta MSA: 526 people
13. Phoenix MSA: 445 people
14. San Antonio MSA: 437 people
15. Orlando MSA: 420 people

Heres how many immigrants came from Africa in 2017:

Immigrants from Africa (all over 2k listed):
1. New York: 12,839
2. Washington DC: 10,422
3. Minneapolis: 6,034
4. Dallas: 5,050
5. Boston: 5,020
6. Atlanta: 4,398
7. Houston: 3,598
8. Philadelphia: 3,499
9. Seattle: 3,290
10. Columbus: 3,025
11. Chicago: 2,807
12. Los Angeles: 2,502
13. Baltimore: 2,136

So yeah, the black community in Chicago is overwhelmingly African American and the one in NYC is far more diverse. Even given the size difference, NYC is still way ahead in black diversity. Chicago doesnt have a very large African or Caribbean community. In NYC, its huge.

[Enean]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

Well, its certainly much more African American than your average large black community.

Total Black Population:

NYC: 3,174,597
Chicago: 1,554,997

These are the largest foreign born African Communities. These numbers do not include their children, only the immigrants themselves:

Africa Total
1. NYC MSA: 257,372 people
2. DC MSA: 202,823 people
3. Dallas MSA: 91,039 people
4. Minneapolis MSA: 87,673 people
5. Atlanta MSA: 87,211 people
6. Houston MSA: 82,623 people
7. Boston MSA: 76,602 people
8. Los Angeles MSA: 73,601 people
9. Philadelphia MSA: 58,203 people
10. Chicago MSA: 55,657 people
11. Seattle MSA: 50,039 people
12. Baltimore MSA: 40,185 people
13. Columbus, OH MSA: 37,773 people
14. San Francisco MSA: 31,727 people
15. Denver MSA: 26,308 people

Here are some numbers from countries that are majority or nearly majority black:

Trinidad and Tobago
1. NYC MSA: 107,666 people
2. Miami MSA: 21,244 people
3. DC MSA: 10,749 people
4. Orlando MSA: 8778 people
5. Houston MSA: 6391 people
6. Baltimore MSA: 6268 people
7. Atlanta MSA: 6027 people
8. Philadelphia MSA: 5955 people
9. Boston MSA: 5715 people
10. Tampa MSA: 4517 people
11. Los Angeles MSA: 3045 people
12. Dallas MSA: 2120 people
13. Palm Bay, FL MSA: 1575 people
14. Chicago MSA: 1123 people
15. Hartford, CT MSA: 1110 people

West Indies (Anguilla, St. Kitts & Nevis, Antiqua and Barbuda, Curacao, etc)
1. NYC MSA: 13,501 people
2. Atlanta MSA: 1225 people
3. Miami MSA: 1071 people
4. DC MSA: 846 people
5. Orlando MSA: 786 people
6. Boston MSA: 768 people
7. Houston MSA: 679 people
8. Tampa MSA: 677 people
9. Ocala, FL MSA: 526 people
10. Hartford, CT MSA: 517 people
11. Philadelphia MSA: 431 people
12. Chicago MSA: 383 people
13. Dallas MSA: 380 people
14. Los Angeles MSA: 329 people
15. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 297 people

St. Vincent and the Grenadines
1. NYC MSA: 15,083 people
2. Orlando MSA: 768 people
3. Philadelphia MSA: 760 people
4. Miami MSA: 739 people
5. Atlanta MSA: 555 people
6. DC MSA: 410 people
7. Boston MSA: 336 people
8. Baltimore MSA: 295 people
9T. Houston MSA: 169 people
9T. Tampa MSA: 169 people
11. Los Angeles MSA: 168 people
12. San Francisco MSA: 154 people
13. Hartford, CT MSA: 131 people
14. Charlotte MSA: 121 people
15. Syracuse, NY MSA: 112 people

Jamaica
1. NYC MSA: 260,114 people
2. Miami MSA: 139,330 people
3. Atlanta MSA: 34,217 people
4. Orlando MSA: 22,650 people
5. DC MSA: 22,170 people
6. Philadelphia MSA: 20,001 people
7. Hartford, CT MSA: 18,555 people
8. Boston MSA: 13,492 people
9. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 12,014 people
10. Tampa MSA: 10,794 people
11. Baltimore MSA: 8460 people
12. Chicago MSA: 6979 people
13. Port St. Lucie, FL MSA: 6883 people
14. Houston MSA: 6477 people
15. Los Angeles MSA: 6229 people

Haiti
1. Miami MSA: 223,027 people
2. NYC MSA: 165,422 people
3. Boston MSA: 48,391 people
4. Orlando MSA: 35,999 people
5. Philadelphia MSA: 14,028 people
6. Atlanta MSA: 11,467 people
7. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 9943 people
8. Naples, FL MSA: 9813 people
9. Tampa MSA: 8768 people
10. Cape Coral, FL MSA: 7748 people
11. Port St. Lucie, FL MSA: 7313 people
12. DC MSA: 6125 people
13. Lakeland, FL MSA: 5198 people
14. Providence MSA: 4923 people
15. Chicago MSA: 4307 people

Grenada
1. NYC MSA: 22,644 people
2. DC MSA: 1517 people
3. Miami MSA: 1429 people
4. Atlanta MSA: 828 people
5. Orlando MSA: 727 people
6. Houston MSA: 610 people
7. Baltimore MSA: 462 people
8. Boston MSA: 409 people
9. Philadelphia MSA: 314 people
10. Tampa MSA: 294 people
11. Dallas MSA: 227 people
12. Los Angeles MSA: 178 people
13. Indianapolis MSA: 164 people
14. San Francisco MSA: 145 people
15. Wichita Falls, TX MSA: 144 people

Dominica
1. NYC MSA: 12,020 people
2. Miami MSA: 3574 people
3. Boston MSA: 2015 people
4. Orlando MSA: 1314 people
5. Tampa MSA: 994 people
6. Houston MSA: 860 people
7. DC MSA: 757 people
8. Philadelphia MSA: 678 people
9. Providence MSA: 589 people
10. Atlanta MSA: 550 people
11. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 506 people
12. Dallas MSA: 337 people
13. New Haven, CT MSA: 330 people
14. Hartford, CT MSA: 322 people
15. Norwich, CT MSA: 269 people

Barbados
1. NYC MSA: 27,849 people
2. Boston MSA: 3593 people
3. Miami MSA: 2937 people
4. Philadelphia MSA: 1953 people
5. Atlanta MSA: 1785 people
6. Orlando MSA: 1221 people
7. DC MSA: 1044 people
8. Baltimore MSA: 703 people
9. Tampa MSA: 677 people
10. Hartford, CT MSA: 595 people
11. Houston MSA: 577 people
12. Dallas MSA: 576 people
13. Los Angeles MSA: 501 people
14. Springfield, MA MSA: 460 people
15. Virginia Beach, VA MSA: 384 people

Belize
1. Los Angeles MSA: 14,107 people
2. NYC MSA: 8934 people
3. Chicago MSA: 4005 people
4. Miami MSA: 2206 people
5. Houston MSA: 1868 people
6. Riverside, CA MSA: 1731 people
7. Dallas MSA: 1186 people
8. Las Vegas MSA: 770 people
9. Tampa MSA: 745 people
10. DC MSA: 647 people
11. San Francisco MSA: 560 people
12. Atlanta MSA: 526 people
13. Phoenix MSA: 445 people
14. San Antonio MSA: 437 people
15. Orlando MSA: 420 people

Heres how many immigrants came from Africa in 2017:

Immigrants from Africa (all over 2k listed):
1. New York: 12,839
2. Washington DC: 10,422
3. Minneapolis: 6,034
4. Dallas: 5,050
5. Boston: 5,020
6. Atlanta: 4,398
7. Houston: 3,598
8. Philadelphia: 3,499
9. Seattle: 3,290
10. Columbus: 3,025
11. Chicago: 2,807
12. Los Angeles: 2,502
13. Baltimore: 2,136

So yeah, the black community in Chicago is overwhelmingly African American and the one in NYC is far more diverse. Even given the size difference, NYC is still way ahead in black diversity. Chicago doesnt have a very large African or Caribbean community. In NYC, its huge.

Chicago's Black population has dropped about 250,000. Do these numbers take that into account? Hispanics are now the second largest racial/ethnic group in Chicago.