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Chicago's Black population has dropped about 250,000. Do these numbers take that into account? Hispanics are now the second largest racial/ethnic group in Chicago.
Since everyone got off topic... This was the OP's original criteria. My choices are in bold.
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Originally Posted by Lets Eat Candy
It's kind of a broad topic, but basically this: Which city's black population has affected local city culture more?
Music, Chicago
arts,Chicago
food,New York
speech, New York
religion,New York
neighborhoods,Chicago
politics,Chicago
economy,Chicago
social interaction,New York
Broad, yes. But it should serve as an impetus to having a lively discussion. Use any criteria you want, considering culture is a pretty loose concept.
And yes, blacks includes all blacks, including foreign blacks, native blacks, etc.
Apparently, come see African-Americans whose roots came thru the US South. Are seen as ADDING LESS CULTURE? Urban Blues was a Culturally significant Chicago African-American culture addition. Not to mention Jazz. Even Chicago gave it the term Jazz.
Depends Also what cultural attributes became a World recognized Cultural addition too. African Americans clearly did. But the OP did not ask on diversity ..... it is a given it's NYC.
It wasn't asked if one city lost a higher % of its Black population. But then that would probably be Chicago. It's been bleeding its Black population by the highest % by far, for decades now. That IS backed up by the US census. You don't need me for stats on that.
No I'm not giving other stats in general. Could take time to search. But am not. So my opinion..... but for the census.
People seem to think Obama grew-up in Chicago .... some Nigeria. But seems Indonesia and Hawaii till a point in his College life he came to Chicago and stayed. Ms Obama is a Native Chicagoan.
Apparently, come see African-Americans whose roots came thru the US South. Are seen as ADDING LESS CULTURE? Urban Blues was a Culturally significant Chicago African-American culture addition. Not to mention Jazz. Even Chicago gave it the term Jazz.
Depends Also what cultural attributes became a World recognized Cultural addition too. African Americans clearly did. But the OP did not ask on diversity ..... it is a given it's NYC.
It wasn't asked if one city lost a higher % of its Black population. But then that would probably be Chicago. It's been bleeding its Black population by the highest % by far, for decades now. That IS backed up by the US census. You don't need me for stats on that.
No I'm not giving other stats in general. Could take time to search. But am not. So my opinion..... but for the census.
People seem to think Obama grew-up in Chicago .... some Nigeria. But seems Indonesia and Hawaii till a point in his College life he came to Chicago and stayed. Ms Obama is a Native Chicagoan.
It's interesting, and you're right, as most on this thread are (in essence), not attributing anything to African Americans....only Blacks from other countries. Interesting, and knowing that NYC has more Blacks from other countries, was this thread originated solely for Chicago to lose? I think so. It would be wrong to assume, that's not a strong possibility.
It's interesting, and you're right, as most on this thread are (in essence), not attributing anything to African Americans....only Blacks from other countries. Interesting, and knowing that NYC has more Blacks from other countries, was this thread originated solely for Chicago to lose? I think so. It would be wrong to assume, that's not a strong possibility.
But what was addressed was that NYC's black community is very diverse. Chicago's isnt diverse. That doesnt mean it adds less culture. It just is what it is.
But what was addressed was that NYC's black community is very diverse. Chicago's isnt diverse. That doesnt mean it adds less culture. It just is what it is.
But the underlining reason was being more diverse adds more cultural enrichment and therefore on that point should win with the Trump Card.
I don't think tourist visiting either city .... see either as culturally Black. You need to get into neighborhoods for most of that. Both cities, but especially Chicago. Continues to lose its Black population in general.
Segregation, gangland crime by far.... is greatest in the Black neighborhoods. School closings and low regards for them. Are all big factors in Black migrations out of the city.
Corporate America certainly is not relocating to the neighborhoods in Northern cities in most need of jobs. So the migrations to areas the are by incentives, taxes less, lower pay base in general and still cheap land .... continues this Northern migration that REAL WINTERS left behind is also a big factor.
As cities become more wealthy and poor. The influx of educated and exit of middle-class struggling and with Black more segregated neighborhoods having the gang crime factor .... that the city's policies kept going in Chicago. Seems still on-going.
Even with a new Mayor. Chicago will unlikely reverse this trend anytime soon. In the future, hopefully these areas being more abandoned and having blight that was removed where homes once were, now grass and tree lots. Will provide a future of new growth when the North gets Corporate America to reverse its trends more and more and not merely gentrification alone that would take decades yet.
*** Chicago's trend .... has always seemed neighborhoods changed to Hispanic first. Then gentrified to more educated professionals. That continues in Chicago pushing Latino population into further neighborhoods some that were more African-American and some more White Middle-Class that aged and retired to passed, or migrated away.
Whether Chicago is unique in this process? I'm not sure. But that trend is clearly seen. Call it opinion .... but clearly was what seemed to occur.
The stereotype also, has always been Chicago as a more Black cultural city. The gangland crime that news highlighted a increase in a few years ago. Adds to this stereotype .... at least till people visit as more tourist. Neighborhoods so segregated also show less a the stereotype to visitors less likely to go to areas send as hoods especially.
The problem with New York is they have alot of Black people from other countries....
So the Black African American community in New York is overshadowed
It is still primarily AA though and for a long time has had black people with roots in the Caribbean. Many have both. For instance, Kareem Abdul Jabbar's dad has roots in Trinidad and his mom was originally from NC. So, that dynamic is quite common in the NYC area. https://www.caribbeannationalweekly....es-back-roots/
I don't think tourist visiting either city .... see either as culturally Black. You need to get into neighborhoods for most of that. Both cities, but especially Chicago. Continues to lose its Black population in general.
Doesn't New York have roughly the same number of black people as it did in 1990?
It looks like foreign born blacks have replaced the natives in large numbers over the past 30 years. If anything, it looks like the white population has declined.
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