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Some of these kids probably had very good grades. But good grades and hard work aren't even enough to get you into some of the Ivy League colleges. Since they have tons of applications every year and only accept a small fraction of those, it takes more to get noticed. Some of the rich students and parents are entitled people who want what they want...bragging rights, prestige, the "right" connections, the best jobs, etc. Many people working at those colleges or teaching are vulnerable to temptation because they are saddled with a lot of debt. So fake SAT/ACT scores, photo-shopped pics, hired "brains" to take your tests, tutors to get you by when cheating isn't possible, etc. Bribes go a long way in a world where Americans are desperate for money. We're living in a time when the super-rich 5% can get just about anything their their spoiled-rotten hearts desire, while most people are drudging along and can't really afford to live a less-than enviable from-check-to-check existence. Debt for the average American family is way out of control, people can't even afford a house, college is getting way beyond affordable, middle class is shrinking, etc.
I cannot get my mind around how stupid these parents were to risk participating in this fraudulent scheme.
In the Loughlin case, the two daughters listed rowing on their applications, of course with the accompanying bribe to the rowing coaches. How reckless and stupid can the parents be to think that this complete blatant lie could not eventually easily somehow come back to bite them especially given how the one daughter was always blabbing away on social media about things? It's very easy to show and prove that they were not, in fact, on high school rowing teams and there are a million different ways that deception could somehow be eventually exposed. Why would one want to live with that black cloud of a lie hanging over their head when they have all the money in the world to pursue other good options without resorting to risky lies and fraud?
With their money, there were so many other available good options to somehow get their children legitimately into some decent school somewhere. The private school route, of course, is a no brainer. They could have sent the one daughter to a well respected fashion institute where she would have have likely been admitted given her unique background with a designer father and passion for fashion, vlogging, and beauty. She probably would have much preferred that. What the hell was Lori thinking?
The family's life has completely changed overnight due to the parents' ridiculously reckless, stupid decision to participate in this brazen, hare brained fraud. They had SO much to lose, and recklessly rolled the dice and lost big time. Lori and her daughters led the most charmed lives getting to do what they said they loved (acting, vlogging) and it is now all being stripped away right from underneath them. Her acting career is finished. The stigma of this will follow the daughters for awhile and so they will need to lie very low from the public eye. The one daughter's entire identity revolves around social media and so that will be quite an adjustment for her to disappear from that for some time to come. I would imagine she will deal with huge depression issues surrounding this loss of identity she was so completely identified with and wrapped up in. The parents will probably be entangled with numerous lawsuits for years to come as well.
Reports are now saying that there is a pretty good chance they will end up doing around 2-3 years in prison due to the public's justifiable outrage over this. The parents' idiotic choices have now heaped worlds of pain and humiliation onto these daughters who it appears are not used to at all dealing with much adversity as they have lived completely charmed, privileged lives. This family is in for one hell of a rough ride in the months and possibly years to come with coping with the total dismantling of life as they once knew it and facing the ugly, harsh reality of what is coming down the pike for them with court appearances, law suits, possible jail time, probation, loss of citizen rights, felon status, and pariah status. Lots of pain, humiliation, and discomfort ahead and they are not at all used to anything remotely like this. Life has been quite the opposite for them for forever.
Their pretty gilded dollhouse has come crashing down all around them, and it was the parents' need for keeping up perfect appearances in that dollhouse that is what got them into this terrible mess in the first place. Entitlement, sense of invincibility, and arrogance play a big part in them doing this as well and that is what touches such a nerve with people so imho Lori and Mossimo will end up doing some time in the clink because of this.
Since when all this happened, she was on board the USC Board Chairman’s 2000 ft.long, 9 bedroom yacht, which rents for $500,000+ a WEEK, why couldn’t he get her admitted to the school, without all the cheating?
2000 feet? That's impressive, especially since a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is only 1092 feet.
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Domineering and controlling parents can make your life a living h3ll when you do not do what they want you to. Young people are not very adept at handling these types of people and/or situations.
The daughter had a lucrative gig going on and was not interested in attending college. I think anyone who shells out $500,000 in bribes to get their children into USC has got to have some major issues. The whole thing is just bizarre.
I don't get the impression at all that they are domineering. The girl wanted to go to USC, I don't know about other schools. She wanted to get the college party experience, and be with her friends. She probably told her mom she would ONLY go to USC.
Class action based on what? Are all 30,079 rejected applicants for the Yale Class of 2020 going to claim they were the one person who didn't get in because three other people did? What is the harm done (which is what you need to prove in a cause of action case)? And if you could prove harm, what is the remedy? Assuming that all 30,079 rejected applicants had stellar credentials, SAT scores over 700 per test and GPAs well over 4.0 (a concept I still can't grasp) and they got into Cornell instead, or the University of Connecticut instead, etc; do they get transferred into Yale? All 30,079 of them? Do they start as freshmen or get to transfer in units?
The truth is, there is no tangible harm.
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Dratss! And here I thought negligence was part of this class action. Yup,by golly they have a leg to stand on. Now go finish your humble pie...
The restitution...? Hmmm getting refunded for the college application fees. Gee ...go have another piece of pie.
Talk about over exaggeration. .who said anything about 30079 students?
This thing came about by tax fraud from the parents claiming "donations" when in fact it was bribery to ensure their child got into the university/college.
Sooo.... when is cheating actually a crime? Certainly, students cheat all the time - and if caught, they suffer consequences -- but never is a student arrested for, say, looking at another student's test sheet or failing to cite a source in a paper.
The indictment accuses the parents of conspiring to commit "honest-services fraud."
The honest-services fraud statute, effectively an anti-corruption tool, makes it a crime to cheat the government or private employer out of a right to the “honest services” of its public servants or employees.
Honest services fraud is a crime defined in 18 U.S.C. § 1346 (the federal mail and wire fraud statute), added by the United States Congress in 1988,[1] which states: "For the purposes of this chapter, the term scheme or artifice to defraud includes a scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services."[2]
In this scandal, prosecutors assert the parents conspired to deprive colleges out of the "honest services of athletics coaches and administrators accused of taking bribes."
But did the parents actually deprive the employers (the universities) out of the "honest services of athletics coaches and administrators"?
Did the sailing coach somehow do a poorer job than he otherwise would have? Or worked fewer hours? Ditto for the water polo coach, etc?
Sooo.... when is cheating actually a crime? Certainly, students cheat all the time - and if caught, they suffer consequences -- but never is a student arrested for, say, looking at another student's test sheet or failing to cite a source in a paper.
The indictment accuses the parents of conspiring to commit "honest-services fraud."
The honest-services fraud statute, effectively an anti-corruption tool, makes it a crime to cheat the government or private employer out of a right to the “honest services” of its public servants or employees.
In this scandal, prosecutors assert the parents conspired to deprive colleges out of the "honest services of athletics coaches and administrators accused of taking bribes."
But did the parents actually deprive the employers (the universities) out of the "honest services of athletics coaches and administrators"?
Did the sailing coach somehow do a poorer job than he otherwise would have? Or worked fewer hours? Ditto for the water polo coach, etc?
Again the crime they committed was these parents (many more than just Lori L though she seems to be bearing the brunt of the anger for whatever reason) paying the bribes via a sham charity, and deducted what they knew were bribes as charitable deductions. That’s why it’s the Feds. The charges are things like tax fraud, mail fraud, etc. They weren’t charged with any aspect of the actual cheating. No reason to assume when the charges are out there publicly.
With a few glaring exceptions, a lot of the kids didn't know their parents bribed or illegally got them in the schools, they really thought they earned that special place. Now, they realized their parents thought they weren't smart enough and didn't believe they could make it in without their money. I think they should leave the school though if their original SATs and grades weren't enough to get them in on their own merit and academics, and the rightful student who worked really hard and got all the right stuff should get in.
Olivia Jade, Loughlin's daughter, never wanted to go to college, she said her parents forced her to go. She just wanted to be an "influencer" and make videos for youtube. If she had skipped college and if her parents knew their own child, that she wasn't college material, they wouldn't be in the mess they are in today. Olivia Jade would have made a fortune, maybe not as rich as the Kardashians, but she was off to a good start. The girl may not be model material but she has the image of the rich girl and her parents add to her cachet, the house, the pool, and the means to travel around the world many times in a year, taking pictures of herself in fashionable places wearing expensive clothes. The young people are into that sort of thing. The parents really did not know their own daughter. Now, they have lost lots of contracts: Sephora, Hallmark, etc.
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