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Old 10-21-2012, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Maabus1999 View Post
There polling method seems fine as most polls are near 1000 people...

Besides according to them, they claim to be the most accurate pollster out there:

IBD/TIPP Takes Top Honors Again - Investors.com

To anyone who doesn't click, they were the top pollster (most accurate) in the 2004 and 2008 election. Most likely this comes from them using a more "modern" polling method versus some of the older traditional one that have trouble coping with cell phone usage.

EDIT: I don't think Obama is up +6 however. +2 to +3 at max is the most likely answer.
Went to an IBD conference a few years back. I hope to heck they are right. All other polls seem to be trending Romney. Nate Silver does not emanate much optimism, either on TV this past Thursday, or in his blogs. More like his gut is telling him, in spite of the current projection, in the end we could very easily be looking at a Romney win. He's not actually saying that, but it is a vibe I pick up from his demeanor and his writings.

 
Old 10-21-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: NC
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Went to an IBD conference a few years back. I hope to heck they are right. All other polls seem to be trending Romney. Nate Silver does not emanate much optimism, either on TV this past Thursday, or in his blogs. More like his gut is telling him, in spite of the current projection, in the end we could very easily be looking at a Romney win. He's not actually saying that, but it is a vibe I pick up from his demeanor and his writings.
I don't think either candidate has "momentum" and it will honestly come down to the ground game in the electoral college. This graph pretty much shows that the momentum is evening out around a tie.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama

For example why the "ground game" matters, Just listened to a CNN interview with a politial analyst who answered the question "Why is Neveda still favoring the President with such a lousy economy" and the answer is the state GOP party in Neveda is completely dysfunctional. So much that Mitt Romney's staffers have set up a "shadow 2nd party" to try and fix this problem but it may be to late.

And why does this dysfunction matter? The state GOP party dysfunction has led to the democrats registering massive numbers of new voters when compared to the republicans. Can Mitt's "shadow party" fix this? We shall see.
 
Old 10-21-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't think either candidate has "momentum" and it will honestly come down to the ground game in the electoral college. This graph pretty much shows that the momentum is evening out around a tie.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama
In your previous post, you said you thought Obama was up 2-3. I agree with what you say in this post - they are likely just about exactly tied.

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For example why the "ground game" matters, Just listened to a CNN interview with a politial analyst who answered the question "Why is Neveda still favoring the President with such a lousy economy" and the answer is the state GOP party in Neveda is completely dysfunctional. So much that Mitt Romney's staffers have set up a "shadow 2nd party" to try and fix this problem but it may be to late.

And why does this dysfunction matter? The state GOP party dysfunction has led to the democrats registering massive numbers of new voters when compared to the republicans. Can Mitt's "shadow party" fix this? We shall see.
Despite this, things actually look decent for Romney in Nevada when looking at early voting and comparing the situation to 2008. Decent, not wonderful.

Did Democrats Massacre Republicans on First Day of Early Voting in Nevada? Maybe Not « Battleground Watch

Regardless, Romney doesn't need Nevada. He only needs NV as one of many states to put together to make up for Ohio if he loses it. Ohio is the key state.
 
Old 10-21-2012, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Also, despite what liberals say about Rasmussen, they were most accurate in 2008 (along with Pew).

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate? | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

And Gallup has traditionally actually leaned a bit left of the actual results (though I certainly am not suggesting that it should be inferred that Romney is up more than 7....I don't think he is even up anywhere close to 7).
 
Old 10-21-2012, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Also, despite what liberals say about Rasmussen, they were most accurate in 2008 (along with Pew).

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate? | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

And Gallup has traditionally actually leaned a bit left of the actual results (though I certainly am not suggesting that it should be inferred that Romney is up more than 7....I don't think he is even up anywhere close to 7).
Then, why is IBD #15 on your Texas (excuse me while I laugh) list, and yet it was more or less tied with Rasmussen for #1, here:

IBD/TIPP Takes Top Honors Again - Investors.com
 
Old 10-21-2012, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Then, why is IBD #15 on your Texas (excuse me while I laugh) list, and yet it was more or less tied with Rasmussen for #1, here:

IBD/TIPP Takes Top Honors Again - Investors.com
It was according to a study done by a professor at Fordhman University. IBD is #12 on the list.

Why would you laugh about Texas?
 
Old 10-21-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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It was according to a study done by a professor at Fordhman University. IBD is #12 on the list.

Why would you laugh about Texas?
Haha - because Texas is a r-wing as it comes. That aside, the real question is why do the two lists differ? This is a serious question. Prof from Fordham says one thing, chart of accuracy says another. IBD focuses on investors, so I would suspect that would have a r-wing slant, as well.
 
Old 10-21-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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Eh. It seems to be clearly pretty much tied. You can maybe tease out a slight advantage for either side depending on how you want to read the tea leaves. But honesty it's anyone's game right now IMO. Y'all can bicker the details all y'all want but I don't think it changes anything. LOL
 
Old 10-21-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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In your previous post, you said you thought Obama was up 2-3. I agree with what you say in this post - they are likely just about exactly tied.



Despite this, things actually look decent for Romney in Nevada when looking at early voting and comparing the situation to 2008. Decent, not wonderful.

Did Democrats Massacre Republicans on First Day of Early Voting in Nevada? Maybe Not « Battleground Watch

Regardless, Romney doesn't need Nevada. He only needs NV as one of many states to put together to make up for Ohio if he loses it. Ohio is the key state.
I said 2 to 3 max Not 2 to 3 currently. I think it is close but I think Obama 100% has the electoral college advantage. Romney needs almost double the victories in swing states then compared to Obama.
 
Old 10-21-2012, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Haha - because Texas is a r-wing as it comes. That aside, the real question is why do the two lists differ? This is a serious question. Prof from Fordham says one thing, chart of accuracy says another. IBD focuses on investors, so I would suspect that would have a r-wing slant, as well.
No, TX is not as right-wing as it comes. There are more conservative states. That being said, where the paper is shouldn't matter. The Houston Chronicle isn't some right-wing paper.

As far as why the two lists differ, it actually appears that the prof did the rankings based on a time in which the vote was not entirely counted, so it may be a little off. However, it looks like the chart on the IBD/TIPP site was simply composed by IBD/TIPP.

Nate Silver tweeted earlier that IBD/TIPP is prone to wild swings.
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